I write this with a very heavy heart. One of my professional colleagues – although I never knew him personally – has just been struck off by our regulator, the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS). And the biggest tragedy of all is that I think they were absolutely right to do so. It is profoundly distressing that a vet could make such a massive error and not realise that what he had done was wrong – we all make mistakes, but not accepting and learning from them is the cardinal sin in our profession. In this blog, I want to look at what he did, why he shouldn’t have done it, and what the ramifications are for us as vets and as pet owners.
Just so you’re aware, this blog will go into details which some pet owners may find unpleasant, but which we know others will want to know about, so as to understand all the things that may happen.
What happened?
The charges against this vet boiled down to the fact that he was called to put an elderly dog to sleep; he didn’t have all the equipment that might have been appropriate for euthanasia, but the biggest issue was that he decided to put the dog to sleep by an injection into the heart, without any sedation. When the owners complained, he told the RCVS disciplinary committee that this was his normal approach to euthanasia.
This, the RCVS agreed – rightly in my opinion – was completely unacceptable. Euthanasia means “a good death”, and inserting a needle into the heart of a fully conscious animal is profoundly painful. It’s also frequently much slower than people think, as the unsedated, frightened and in pain animal “fights” the anaesthetic.
What does this mean in future?
Well, I’m sure that any vets who might have been tempted to do anything similar – maybe for the best of reasons, such as trying to save the client money, or in an outdated belief that this procedure is not painful – will think twice now.
However, I also think it’s an opportunity for us as a profession to have a conversation with the rest of the pet-owning public (remember, almost all of us have our own pets too!) about not just when it’s right to put an animal to sleep, but how we do it – because there are lots and lots of options.
What are the options?
There are a number of questions the vet and the client need to consider.
Firstly, one-shot or multiple-drug euthanasia?
It is quite acceptable to use a single drug – we usually use a potent anaesthetic agent called pentobarbitone (AKA pentobarbital). This is given by injection (see below), and the animal goes to sleep, gets deeper and deeper and then simply stops, peacefully and quietly.
However, there are a limited number of places the injection can be given in a conscious animal and if the patient is very stressed, or in pain, the drug doesn’t work as quickly. As a result, many vets prefer to give some sedation – or even a full anaesthetic – first. In most cases, this will be a small injection under the skin, that takes 10 minutes or so to kick in. In some cases, it may be necessary to use an inhaled anaesthetic agent so the patient is completely unconscious before the pentobarbitone injection is given. The biggest concern is that sedatives may make it harder for the vet to find a vein afterwards; however, this isn’t usually a major problem. Of course, this can also increase the price slightly – sedative drugs are disproportionately expensive – but in welfare terms, it is often the best option.
Secondly, where can the injection be given?
As we’ve said, it is unacceptably painful and distressing to give an injection into the heart in a conscious animal. However if the animal is unconscious, sedated or anaesthetised then these intracardiac injections can be useful, especially in very small patients and those with very poor circulation or collapsed veins.
Most commonly, the injection is given into a blood vessel – “into the vein”. This is the fastest and least painful option, but not always possible, for example in very small patients, or those in shock or with very low blood pressure.
An alternative that is sometimes used in cats (if the vein is difficult to find or ‘blows’ when the injection is given) is to inject into the kidney. This is less painful than going into the heart, and easier than finding a vein, but may take a little longer to work, especially in cats with kidney disease.
In some species, some vets will inject into the brain – this used to be standard practice for birds, but again, we now think that birds should probably receive sedation or anaesthesia first in most cases.
In very small animals, it is often virtually painless to inject into the abdomen; however, this can be very, very slow to work, and needs very large amounts of the drugs.
If an injection into the vein is being used, needle or catheter?
This is a perennial debate among vets! There really isn’t one right answer to this, ultimately – it depends on the specific patient. As a general rule, injecting “off the needle” is generally easier for the vet, and inserting a needle is less uncomfortable than placing a catheter; however, the needle is more likely to slip out of the vein if the animal moves, and if so, the pentobarbitone is very irritant and can be severely painful to the tissues around the vein.
Finally, of course, we need to confirm death.
In mammals or birds this is straightforward – a loss of normal reflexes and no heartbeat. In reptiles, however, it’s much harder – some species can essentially “shut down” for hours, with no long-term ill effects. Therefore, it is usual to use additional measures to ensure that a tortoise, for example, is dead – stories of “zombie” tortoises are generally due to people burying a torpid but not dead pet. It is also unethical to freeze a reptile if you’re not sure they’ve gone – they could theoretically be aware of the process. Pithing of the brainstem is the preferred option once they are deeply anaesthetised (and probably dead) after the pentobarbitone injection.
Does it always go to plan?
Sadly, no – sometimes it may be necessary to go to “plan B” part way through – for example, if we cannot access a vein, or something unexpected happens. However, there are always options, and our first priority will always be to make sure that the patient’s welfare is not compromised during euthanasia.
The bottom line is that almost all vets are determined to give your pet the most humane, painless and stress-free end that we can. How vets do this will vary depending on a wide range of factors, but if you have any concerns, please do talk to us! Any vet will be more than happy to discuss your concerns and do anything we can to allay them.
Discussion
I have had a number of pets that I had to have put down due to terminal illness, when they ended up to a point where they were suffering.
After reading some of the comments here, I have to say that I was never NOT allowed to stay in the room with my pet during any part of the precedure. The only time was when I had brought my westie dog Amos to a hospital when I had to do it in an emergency. They were having difficulty getting the catherter into his vein, so they took him to another room to get it in. But when they came back with him, he was still alert so we could say good-bye to him and be with him through the whole procedure. The vet was very kind, and Amos went quickly. I always ask for them to let me listen to the heart to make sure it’s not beating, and I’ve never been turned down. We brought him home, and later in the day took him to the local vet to get his ashes.
All the others, all cats, whether done at the vet or at home, everything happened in our presence. I feel bad for some of the experiences I’m reading here. Maybe find a vet ahead of time, and confirm that you can stay with your pet the entire time.
I know that I’m probably going to get lots of negative responses but I’m trying to do what’s best for my cats. They are brothers and are both in the end stages of renal failure but they’re taking their time dying naturally and we need to help them along but can’t afford to euthanize both of them. I have plenty of sedation both gabapentin and xanax but I don’t want to cause more trauma by not giving the right dosage of acetaminophen? And I’m wondering if it would be faster to sedate them and then suffocate with plastic (I don’t want to build a whole death box if it can be done faster) but I don’t know how long it would take. Suggestions are welcome but please keep your vitriol to yourself, this is hard enough already. Thank you
Time to find a local shelter or charity who can euthanase them humanely, rather than making up cocktails of drugs that will probably lead to a prolonged and/or painful death.
My 15yr old Terrier was PTS at home. She was in later stage of kidney disease and was well sedated prior to being given the final injection. After being given the injection she gave a couple what looked like gaging motions which also made a vocalized high pitched sound. Although she was totally unconscious, she still had a heartbeat and was still breathing (I believe it went outside the vein). She was then given a second dose. Is this normal to vocalize ?? and will the drug work outside of the vein??
This sort of vocalisation is not uncommon, and although it’s distressing, in almost every case I can think of it has been a purely physical reaction to the progressive shutdown of the hindbrain. If given outside the vein completely, the drug can take many minutes or hours to work, but if she was unconscious, it is most likely that most of the injection went into the vein, but there was some leakage (in a 15 year old with chronic renal disease, the blood vessels are prone to collapse).
I hope that helps!
Thank you David, it was quite distressing for us and guilt ridden that her final moments were painful for her.
Hello,
I have a question about the euthasol 20% red solution.
When a rabbit needs to be euthanized, is it the right procedure to use 5 ml euthasol 20% (red solution) directly in de belly without any sedation ?
And if the rabbit isn’t dead after 15 min, repeat the same step.
5 ml off euthasol 20% (red solution) in de belly.
When the rabbit still isn’t dead after 15 min, another 5 ml off euthasol 20 % (red solution) straight in to the belly.
The rabbit still blinks with his eyes and twitching his nose after 10 ml off euthasol 20 % (red solution), and in time that is after 40 min.
The rabbit was sweating on his head. He couldn’t move, but was responding to noises.
Then after 50 min, a shot was given straight in to the hart.
When the rabbit was dead for 2 days, blood came out the noose.
Did the rabbit suffered when the procedure go’s like this ?
A very worried owner.
This isn’t a product that is licensed here, and there are several versions of it around the world, but as far as I’m aware, this is a pentobarbitone solution (we only have the 40% here, but I’m assuming it’s otherwise the same).
This is a very normal protocol for euthanasing small mammals if IV access (through an ear vein) is unavailable (it’s very hard to get those veins in a very sick rabbit) or inhalational anaesthesia can’t be used for whatever reason. It does sound like it took a lot longer than would be expected, but this occasionally happens if, for example, there is very poor blood flow around the abdomen.
The good news is that this drug is an anaesthetic, rather than anything really distressing. The rabbit becomes slowly but progressively more and more sedated until they reach complete anaesthesia; then additional drug can be given into the heart if needed to cause death. So from whet you’ve said this does not sound like a very distressed rabbit or one in pain, rather a very heavily sedated and then anaesthetised one. If the drug is given into a vein but some goes under the skin, that can be painful, but in my experience, injection into the abdominal cavity is essentially painless.
I’m really sorry to hear that it was so distressing, but I think it unlikely that the rabbit in question suffered.
Thank you so much for this website. This information has really helped me. Please keep posting xxx.
My cat is 16 years old and her health has been very obviously declining. She is an indoor outdoor cat however, within the past month she refuses to come inside. I do have dogs and although she doesn’t like them too much she’s never refused to come in for this long. Over the past year she’s lost a significant amount of weight although she is eating. The most recent decline is her agility and balance- just petting her when she’s standing causes her to stumble and when she turns around she’ll trip over her own feet. Since she’s an outdoor cat her bright white fur does get dirty and I have seen her clean herself but, it seems to tire her out and she can’t get much done before laying down. She doesn’t seem to be in pain but she looks so tired. Tonight, she was a lot less affectionate and seemed disoriented and unfocused, she even flinched when I resumed petting her-which she’s never done before. With previous cats euthanasia was never considered as an option by my family and this time I don’t want her to lose interest in everything she once loved and enjoyed. I want this to be an easy and peaceful transition for her and your article has helped me let go of some of the guilt I’ve been feeling since I decided to do this for her. Thing is… she hasn’t been to the vet in over a decade and freaks out whenever she’s in a car. Is it common for any pets to receive light sedatives given at home before the drive to the vet? Could CBD/hemp treats be considered an option? Do you have any tips on helping a pet stay calm throughout the appointment? Thank you I’m advance and I appreciate you making these articles, this hasn’t been an easy process for me and having all the information had really given me some peace of mind. Thank you
I have recently found that Gabapentine works really well before taking my cat to the vet. It’s in tablet form but I now have it in liquid as my cat is very good at avoiding taking tablets. Also, the liquid is easily syringed into the side of his cheek and I can disguise the taste in a bit of tuna water. Normally, one dose is given the night before the vet visit and then again in the morning 1-2 hours before the visit. This makes him sleepy and not stressed during the visit which is a god send for a reactive cat! I’m not sure if it’s a new development.
This is increasingly being used, but it is a controlled drug and a prescription only medicine, so you must get either the drug or a prescription for it from your vet.
I’m really sorry to hear that – it definitely sounds like she’s coming to the end, and I think you’re doing exactly the right thing in considering this from her point of view.
The stress of going to the vet is a real worry in a cat who hasn’t had much experience, but there are a number of different options. Firstly, are there any home euthanasia clinics near you? Here in the UK, they’re getting more and more popular, and will come to the house and arrange a very calm and peaceful goodbye. Alternatively, have a chat with your vet about the options – I’m not legally allowed to advocate any specific medications here, but yes, there are oral sedatives that are very effective at calming and relaxing anxious cats. I wouldn’t rely on CBD (even if they are legal for animals in your jurisdiction) as I very much doubt the effect would be enough to keep her settled.
Good luck with her, and all the best.
I’m desperately looking for some kind of resolution on my dogs passing. I’m not coping. I never thought I’d be able to call the vets when it was time but I did and I bitterly regret it. People said it would be peaceful and as I’ve been in pre emptive grief for some time I would feel a release. I don’t. I just need to know her final moment wasn’t one of pain and upset. She was 16, with kidney failure and stomach ulcers. She’d stopped eating and I had given up everything to tend to her in her final months. She was so stoic, and still loved to be with me and have her walks that even though she barely ate, her quality of life was still great. When she couldn’t / didn’t want to walk anymore from pain I had to face the decision. I’ve had her since I was 23, she was my only child and I’ve never loved any one so much. The vet took 2 attempts to attach a catheter, I understand it’s very hard, pig was getting pretty weak, I don’t begrudge her. They’ve always known her to be extremely resilient too. No sedation was used, should it have been? But the thing haunting me was in her final moment it looked to me like panic, her mouth opened with her teeth bared and her tongue fell out a good 3 inches. This doesn’t marry up with other peoples experiences. She didn’t look peaceful or like she was sleeping she looked more like she was hit by a car. Why was this? I just can’t get past this.
I’m so sorry to hear about this, and how upsetting it must have been.
I can’t give you a certain answer, I’m afraid – but what you’ve described is commonly seen AFTER a dog loses consciousness – the tongue falling out is almost always because of that; the mouth opening and the lips peeling back is also often seen as part of reflex behaviour, especially in dogs with very poor circulation. From what you’ve said, and knowing how fast the drugs work on the brain, I think it is very unlikely that she was conscious and aware.
Regarding using a sedative, in dogs with circulatory problems (that usually go alongside kidney disease and are almost invariably present in dogs that old) using a sedative actually increases the risk of problems, as if the heart isn’t pumping fast enough, the drug arrives at the brain in dribs and drabs, rather than leading to rapid anaesthesia.
I hope that helps – because I really think that it’s most likely to be that she was already unaware and gone before those reflexes kicked in.
Thank you David, for bringing us peace in this matter. You have my eternal gratitude.
My dog was 14 years old, and after discussing with the vet about the seizures my dog had suffered over the previous two days, and signs of brain damage (constant circling, tripping over etc) we decided to euthanize my beloved boy. I was sent to reception to sign the consent, pay etc. While I was there I heard my dog screaming and screaming. What’s going on? I said. Some dogs don’t like needles, like children, said the receptionist. I got back to the actual surgery and found my dog lying on the table, totally unresponsive. I spoke to him and stroked him but not a flicker. The vet injected something at once (it seemed a mere formality at this point as I’m sure my dog was already dead). The vet listened for a heartbeat then said he’s gone, then quickly left the room with not even a glance at me. I babbled some inane comments while my brain was trying to process what I’d seen and heard.
I don’t know what they did to my dog, nor do I know why they started the process while my back was turned. The grief and guilt I feel that I handed my boy over to be tortured to death I will never be able to overcome. I’m totally traumatized knowing that he was suffering and so very scared, he trusted me and he was betrayed. All this has left me wrecked. It should not have been like that, should it? I have to go back there soon to collect my boy’s ashes. I’m going to make a fuss and demand answers. Nobody should be denied the chance to be with their dog as they’re dying, and more importantly, no animal should be distressed like this.
The injection listed on the bill was Dormitor.
Domitor is a sedative – and I wouldn’t expect it to cause any of the signs you’ve described, rather the opposite. It’s not uncommon for a dog who is going to be euthanased to be sedated first, in a quiet controlled environment, and then when they’re a little bit sleepy, for the owner to come in for the actual euthanasia. In this case, it doesn’t sound like that happened, for whatever reason.
The only thing I can think of is that he had a freak bad reaction to the sedative – I’ve never seen one like that before, but I suppose it could happen.
I think if you’re really concerned, it would be worth asking the practice, in writing, what happened, and explaining your concerns – I have never known a vet be anything other than respectful and gentle in a euthanasia, and I’m sure the staff were here, but it does sound like something unusual happened and you might find it helps your peace of mind to know exactly what occurred.
Thank you for your reply.
The only drug listed on the bill is Dormitor 0.5 ml. My dog weighed 20 kg. I will do as you say and write asking for an explanation.
Thanks again for answering the questions surrounding this difficult subject. Just as my boy trusted me, I trusted our vet. I feel that we were both let down.
I had my old dog put to euthanize on the 16/02/2023 it took the get 3 times getting the canuler in with a nurse with them this was very distressing I am a experience dog owner and have never experience any like this with any other dog that I have had it was so upsetting I felt that the get who done this wasn’t fully qualified
RI’m really sorry to hear that.
Unfortunately, sometimes it’s really difficult, especially with old dogs who have poor blood pressure and fragile veins. Even the most experienced vets have this problem sometimes; and there’s nothing we can do about it. Every animal is different and sometimes those differences, in addition to underlying disease factors, make it really hard.
Hi
We had to have our old Boxer PTS a couple of weeks ago. You say in your article that to have your pet sedated prior costs more than a straight forward euthanasia.
I am currently having an issue with my vet in the UK as he charged a horrendous amount for the sedation.
In $ he charged $180 for the procedure and a further $350 for the sedation.
In your opinion, do you believe this was excessive?
We have now had to change vets as the vet client relationship has broken down.
Other local vets have told me they would have charged considerably less.
This is a UK site – so quoting in £ is fine (and easier for us, to be honest!).
It depends what sedative drugs were used, and what amounts. A boxer is a larger dog so needs higher doses. I would say that is more than I would have expected the average to be, BUT I don’t know what protocol was used, or why, or what drugs were involved. Some are a lot more expensive than others – for example, dexmedetomidine is substantially more expensive then medetomidine, but gives smoother sedation in edge-cases.
Otherwise I’m afraid I can’t really comment – different practices have very different charging structures.
My 12 yo 3 legged cat was pts 2 days ago, following a brief, sudden illness bringing on heart failure. I’m fully satisfied that the decision to let him go was the correct one, however, the procedure was not the calm and peaceful process I wanted for my beloved pet. I’ve had other cats pts before, and it has always been calm and swift.
Because Kev had been in hospital, his vein in his front leg had collapsed, so the vet made the decision to go straight to the kidney.
There was a bit of pushing a prodding whilst she found the kidney, and Kev definitely was squirming whilst the needle went in – i”m pretty sure if it happened to me, I’d feel it too. Then she went to inject his other kidney, and clearly Kev was expecting it, and was clearly agitated.
Should the cat have been sedated first?
Neither of these injections had the desired effect, so she left the consulting room to get some clippers, and more anaesthetic to shave his back leg. and try again. He hates clippers, but finally they shaved him, but struggled to get the cannula in. She then went back to his front leg with the collapsed vein to try there. Couldn’t. so back to the back leg with a second set of clippers to try again. eventually she got the cannula in, and gave Kev another dose. He finally passed away, and the vet said, he had had enough to put down a 12kg dog. He was a 4.5kg cat.
obviously this was all horrendous to witness, and we feel that Kev experienced pain and much fear and anxiety prior to his death.
We’ve all been there, and it’s really difficult: sometimes, nothing goes right.
Without knowing more about the clinical background, I can’t say whether sedation would have been the right thing or not – sometimes, sedation in cats with sudden-onset heart failure makes things worse rather than better, and certainly I’d be quite cautious about it.
Usually, injection into the kidney is painless – I can’t remember a cat even realising I’d done it, but there are always exceptions.
If the veins are collapsed, it’s very hard to think of anything different the vet could have done with you there. Sedation as you say might have been an option, but would have had the risk of triggering a much more distressing paroxysmal excitement; and using anaesthetic gas would have meant you couldn’t have been with him when he went. I suppose that using an intramuscular anaesthetic combination might have been an option, but it can take 45-60 minutes for the drugs to work in a cat in heart failure.
It was horrible for you, and probably uncomfortable for him – but tragically that doesn’t mean anything done was wrong. Some cats are very tough!
Thank you for taking the time to post such a comprehensive reply. It is much appreciated.
I am traumatized after having my 13 year old Cav poo dog euthanized 5 days ago. She was suffering from kidney and cancer issues. Didn’t eat or drink for one day and then had seizures that night so I called out of hour vet on a Sunday morning and arranged to meet her at 9.15am. She arrived 10 minutes late and she knew I was traumatized in driving for 15 minutes. I carried my little dog into the practice and put her on the table.
The vet came straight in with a needle and cut a little hair off her leg then jabbed the needle into her leg. My little dog lifted her head. As soon as the solution was in her leg (drug called Dolethal) the vet listened to her heart and said she was dead. Then she turned to her computer and tried 10 times to enter my name and address into the computer with no luck. At this time she showed zero empathy or care to my dog or to me. I then said please write my details on a piece of paper and I will give you my credit card. This all took 10 minutes.
About 30 seconds after she had said my dog was dead my dog opened and closed her mouth 2 times. I said to vet what is that she said nothing to worry about. Then a minute later my little dog’s tongue was hanging out of her mouth.
When I said I was taking my dog with me and not leaving her to be cremated at the vet’s practice as I didn’t like the way we were treated she then listened to the dogs heart and behind her leg again. I asked her what she was doing as she had told me my dog was dead 10 minutes earlier. She said she has ADHD and wanted to make sure. I am completely traumatized and suffering nightmares as I think my dog was not dead and I could have continued to talk to her as she was passing away. I covered her little body and carried her out to the boot of my car. The next day I took her to a crematorium and the worker laid her in the little chapel and uncovered her head. To my amazement her tongue was not hanging out anymore and her mouth was closed,
My burning issues are
1. Could my dog have died as soon as she injected the dolethal?
2. Did this drug suffocate her and was her jaw opening and closing and then her tongue hanging out because she was gasping for ( about 2 minutes after she told me she was dead) ?
3. Did her tongue go back into her mouth because she was still alive when I put her into the boot of car?
4. Did she suffer pain with this drug as no sedative or antithetic was given beforehand
Thank you in advance for answering my questions as
I’ve been googling and can’t find answers to my
concerns until I came across your page.
I’m so sorry for your loss – having to euthanase a pet is always distressing, and sometimes vets (who have to do it all the time) don’t strike the right note.
So, to answer your questions, it’s probably useful to think about what Dolethal is. It’s an anaesthetic drug called pentobarbitone, which works very quickly (which is why we use it). It works by putting your pet into an unconscious coma-like state, in very low doses. Then as the concentration of the drug in the brain rises, it deactivates the parts of the brain that drive breathing and heart rate, resulting in respiratory and cardiac arrest, and therefore death. It’s really, really important to remember, though, that the dose of the drug that will stop a dog from breathing is much, much higher than needed to render them completely unconscious – it’s not possible for this drug, given intravenously, to stop their heart or breathing and leave them aware of that.
In my experience, very old and ill animals, especially those with heart or kidney problems, often “let go” almost immediately after the injection is given – they literally “just stop”, losing consciousness, and the heart and breathing stop as little as a few seconds afterwards. The “gasping” movements are very distressing, but I think the vet was probably right – this really is nothing to worry about. It’s a medullary and spinal reflex, that only occurs once the brain has essentially shut down; it’s also very common and we would normally warn people about the possibility in advance. Clearly in this case, the vet was trying to end your dog’s suffering as quickly as possible, which is laudable, but didn’t communicate this as clearly to you as they might have done.
In terms of the tongue withdrawal, it’s uncommon for a tongue to protrude but it isn’t unheard of. Then, as the body “settles” and all the muscles relax, it can indeed be withdrawn back into the mouth, especially if the body is tilted slightly as they are carried. If the vet found no heartbeat, then your dog was gone well before that. Even if, by some one in a million chance, the vet did miss an intermittent not-quite-stopped-yet heartbeat, there’s no way your dog would have regained consciousness; it just might have taken a little bit longer for her body to stop: her brain was already gone.
Regarding whether she suffered pain, I can’t prove that one way or the other. I believe she almost certainly didn’t – otherwise my colleagues and I wouldn’t use this drug. Until fairly recently, this family of anaesthetics were routinely used for anaesthetics, and there’s no evidence that, when given by intravenous injection, it causes any pain beyond the prick of the needle. In some cases, if the blood vessels collapse, it can be painful, but because the anaesthetic action is so quick, we very rarely see animals in distress as a result of this – and your description would not be consistent with her being in pain.
To sum all that up: it sounds to me like she was ready to go, and went unusually quickly, but I don’t think there’s anything in your description that would suggest that she suffered at all. And that’s something I think you should take comfort in: you did the right thing for the right reasons, and you did your duty by her at the end.
Thank you so much much for your reply to David’s dog. I had to let go of my dog, Romeo, yesterday. I had a very compassionate vet come to our house. She sedated him first and then put him him to sleep. However, his eyes were still pacilaay open and his tongue hanging out a bit. Still, I felt he was in no pain and gone. She bundled him up in his comfy bed and strapped him onto a stretcher. She and her assistant placed him in a special place designed to take him this AM to be cremated privately. This is what haunts me: I was wide awake at 7 AM this morning.in bed where he sleeps next to me. I was not focused on him at that moment but I swear to God I heard his cough, the cough from his congestive heart failure. I panicked all morning trying to reach to make sure my dog wasn’t sending me a message that he is still alive. Is it possible for a dog who is such a fighter & syrvived and come back from a dog attack with 3 surgeries, (surgeons said they had never in their life seen a dog survive such trauma (all3 UGA Vets) still fighting for his life and not really gone. I clearly heard his cough this morning. Is he communicating to “his mommy” that he is grateful and knows it was time or is he asking me for help because he ican still fight the proper ways you put a dog to sleep?
I think I can put your mind at rest that he would definitely have been gone. Not only do we check for the heart rate (which can be deceiving, especially towards the end of life), we repeatedly check it for several minutes, after which his brain wouldn’t have been able to come back. We also check for brainstem reflexes (once gone, again, there’s no coming back); and the remains are stored in a freezer, which keeps the brain temperature below 5C, which is below that at which his brain or heart are capable of operating.
With regards to what you experienced – I can’t give you a scientific answer, but I genuinely don’t believe he was still fighting. Strange things happen when we’ve lost someone we love, and not all of them can be explained by modern science or even psychology, so take it as a comfort that he’s safe and no longer suffering now.
Today the Vet euthanized my beloved Cat who suffered from CKD .. she was and is my soulmate and the decision was hard to make .. I took gentle care of her and provided all of the therapy for couple of months until She was very exhausted .. I know that the decision for euthanasia was the right one .. but I expected the procedure to go more smooth and peaceful .. the veins were collapsed so the Vet decided to perform intracardiac injection ..before, the other less experienced Doctor gave first 2mg/kg ( I think) dose of ketamin intramuscular.. My beloved cat was still awake .. and than the more experienced Doctor said that the Cat should get more .. so she got more ketamin intramuscular .. I was there the whole time and watched her go to sleep after second dose of ketamine ( she slept with eyes open) .. then Doctor performed intracardiac anesthesia and My Cat reacted to the injection like reacting to painful stimuli with her body .. like a big twitch where and when he was giving the injection .. like You would expect Her to react to painful stimuli ( not small twitches so often described ) my question is : was she in pain ? Or is it some kind of heart chest skeletal muscles reflex .. I am a medical doctor so I know about ketamine and dissociation .. and been googling a lot to inform myself even better .. but what are Your experiences ? Do cats react when been given the intracardiac euthanasia even when not in pain ? Or She was undermedicated before .. thank You so much for all Your effort and responses
I’ve never given an intracardiac euthanasia after ketamine alone, largely because the ketamine preserves reflexes so well that you get very odd and unexpected reflexes. I’d always mix it with a sedative (an alpha-2 agonist or possibly a benzodiazepine) to damp down these responses.
So if she’d had two doses of ketamine, I would say it is most likely she had no knowledge of what was going on – but that her spinal reflexes to the needle insertion were exaggerated due to the loss of descending inhibition.
It sounds horrible, but I don’t think it is likely she suffered: I hope that is some reassurance at least.
Thank You so so much for the response and reassurance
I just euthanized my cat. Her Vein looked like it blew out. The vet. Didn’t give all of the stuff. She listen for heart beat. E fire and after and said no heart beat. She gave her sedation before so already relaxed. I don’t think vet. Gave her enough stuff. I told the vet. Her heart might be so low she can’t hear it hood and that I read the brain can still be alive after the heart stops . She told me the brain stops right away. Im worried sick that the Vet. Didn’t give my cat enough to Euthanize her?
The drug that is used doesn’t actually stop the heart: it is an anaesthetic causing the animal to lose consciousness. Enough is given to cause shutdown not only of the conscious forebrain, but also the hindbrain which controls the heart. As a result, the heart will only slow down and stop once the brain has gone into shutdown.
In my experience, many very elderly or very ill cats need only a tiny amount of the anaesthetic – they’re so nearly ready to go anyway, that only a very small dose is needed; and in these cases, the vein blows because the heart stops so rapidly after injection. If the vet didn’t hear a a heartbeat when listening, you can be very confident that she was in fact gone: and that she was probably more ready to go than you realised.
I’m really devastated my cat had spinal failure, bowl was not emptying she couldn’t walk only drag herself. Wasn’t eating and I was told to put her down. The vet had an assistant help him and I cuddled my kitty chin to say goodbye. The vet put a plug type thing into the vein which was sore (I asked him would if be sore and he said no!) he tried 3 times and my cat was distraught and stretched her neck for help. She knew we were trying to kill her. I only wished I had shouted stop!!! He eventually took her away to euphanaze and when she was brought back she was dead. I’m so devastated! What went wrong
Sometimes veins collapse, especially in smaller cats. Unfortunately, this sort of situation is something that most vets have had to deal with; the insertion of an IV cannula into the vein is actually considered best practice, because it reduces the chances of this sort of thing happening; however, if the veins are very fragile or very weak, or already collapsed, it isn’t enough.
The other options for euthanasia include injection into internal organs such as the kidneys, but while this is usually much less painful, many vets prefer not to do this in front of the owner (although it is much less painful and distressing, it’s also slower and looks worse from the outside).
It’s also really important to remember that your cat didn’t know you were trying to kill her: she knew that was happening was sore. Once the vet stopped trying to reposition the cannula she would have relaxed and calmed down, because that discomfort had stopped. But it looks and feels awful when it happens, and I understand how distressing it has been for you.
Hi, I brought my cat who had a seizure into vet.Isad I would pay any amount for her treatment. I inquired about several ailments and treatments which she responded by saying ” are you on the internet alot? I asked the vet if it was rabies? It is not rabies..I have seen rabies before. She said that I could take her home that night or she could give my cat fluids and a pain med and check on her in the morning. The Vet did not discuss her thoughts on why my xat had a seizure.The next day after my several calls s the Vet told me she was putting my cat down.I said no.She said it had rabies and she was protecting her staff and the community. She told me…no discussion. My cat was euthanized her report came back negative for rabies. I am sick and heartbroken.This ca t was my best friend, she was my clinic cat for almost 2 years who was coming home with me that very weekend that I found her sick lying in front of my private business.. The truth will always be revealed.I was telling my situation about my cat to the business across the street.Fun y..” That same vet called her the same morning that my cat was being put down. The vet asked her if she wanted to take financial responsibility for the cat.She said no. Yet I said the day before that I would pay any amount for my cat to live.Why would the vet allow mycat the opportunity to live with them but she called me and said it must be put down? I am horrified .I can not stop thinking about how my Precious died in a cold cage by herself. Help me figuir this out.
I have no idea what has happened here, except that there’s clearly been a massive breakdown in communication.
The first thing to do is to ask your vet for the notes and the clinical history in writing, where they will have explained what happened. Secondly, second-hand reports from neighbours can easily get distorted: how do you know this was your cat? Could it have been a cat that was slightly similar to yours, and they jumped to conclusions? If the vet thought it might be rabies, then they acted correctly; the fact that there is a negative rabies test (which, sadly, can only be done on post-mortem) suggests that they took and sent away samples, meaning that yes they almost certainly did believe it was rabies.
So while there may have been some confusion here, and with hindsight the vet was wrong, I don’t think there’s a smoking gun to prove anything worse.
Hello, my cat was euthanized a week ago, she was 21 years old and had kidney disease. She had stopped eating a couple of days beforehand and was very weak.
In the past I had three pets put to sleep and all went well, but this time I just couldn’t get it out of my mind and apart from missing her, I’m still very upset.
I brought a vet home so that my cat wouldn’t have the stress of being in a clinic. The vet gave her a sedative. I was warned she may vomit, she did try to vomit. When the vet was preparing the next injection, I thought she’d wait for a few minutes but instead, my cat had hardly stopped trying to vomit when she gave the injection straight into my cat’s heart. She gave her three injections whilst listening to the heart. Although my cat was very ill her heart was strong.
After all the care I had given my cat during her illness, I was so gentle with her, I can’t stop wondering and being upset that she didn’t pass peacefully. I feel the need for someone to tell me she wasn’t in pain.
I don’t know any vet who would inject a cat in the heart if they weren’t completely unconscious. There are different uses of the word “sedative”, but in euthanasia case, we would almost always use a very powerful drug that makes them completely unconscious – the only drug we’d commonly use that is a sedative and that causes vomiting while asleep would make them deeply unconscious, so I think if she didn’t react to the needle going in, then she was so deeply under that for her, it was completely peaceful, even if it didn’t look that way from the outside.
Dr Harris, thank you for your reply and finally putting my mind at rest. Peggy didn’t seem to make any different reaction when the second injection was given, I will however make sure that there is a pause next time between both injections as I was very upset. Thank you again, good day. Anne
Hi my sister had her cat put down and what she witnessed has traumatised her I just want to know if it was a normal euthanasia for her beloved cat, firstly they said they were getting the sedative ready before she was allowed in so she didn’t even get a chance to say goodbye before the process started, they called her in and nala (her cat) was laid on his front head to the side and blood was coming out his mouth and nose he was gasping for breath they kept injecting the sedative but my sister couldn’t cope seeing him struggle so she left the room, the vet said once he was sedated they injected his heart to end its life I found this mad and totally unethical but maybe I am wrong??? My dog was out down 4 years ago via an injection in his arm he simply slowly fell asleep on me then his heart stopped, my poor sister can not get those awful images out of her head now and I am so angry she shouldnt of had to see that not should that poor cat have died that way I believe they were cruel to him they didn’t even let my sister in the room while they examined him I would never go that vets personally!
This isn’t usual no; my suspicion would be that there was some underlying disease condition that affected how smooth the procedure went, but it’s terrible when it happens. Your sister has all my sympathies: even if it’s unavoidable it’s horrible when things don’t got to plan
Hi, my small dog was put to sleep Saturday, first the vet gave sedation after approx 5 to 8 mins she was still standing he gave her an other shot of sedation in approx 1 minute she sat on her rear then an other 1 or 2 she lay onto her side, the vet gave about 3 minutes he then injected at an angle straight into her side, she gave 2 gasps and 1 little one and it was over. To me she had a painless death, but me I was in bits and still am, she had cushing’s syndrome, 15 years from a pup she never left my side it was heartbreak for me, I heald her head in my hands looked straight into her eyes while taking to her and stroking her, I put my face to her nose and she licked my forehead but even dough my heart was breaken I never left her till she took her last breath, don’t leave a loved one when they need you most no matter how you feel be there for your pet, They were there for you.
Hello, a few years ago my 15 year old dog had an accident with left her with one of her eyeballs hanging down from the eye socket. We rushed her to the vets where the vet told us there was no point in operating on her and that we should just put her down. We begged for the vet to at least try but he refused. He the. Decided to euthanatise my dog by sticking the injection straight into her heart. It was honestly the most traumatic thing I have ever witnessed and she screamed and wriggled in pain for around 2 minutes before the vet ushered us out the room. He didn’t provide my little dog with any pin relief whatsoever and didn’t seem very sympathetic. After doing pigs of research I bow know he is not fit to be working with animals. Is there anything I can do or has it been left too long considering this happened a few years ago?
I’m so sorry to hear that; it certainly isn’t normal practice.
You can always raise a concern with the relevant regulator – the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons in the UK – but if it was more than a year ago, it might be quite difficult to start an investigation.
Is it possible that even though the vet listen to my cat’s heart, that he could have been alive 30 minutes later. He couldn’t get a vein because he was dehydrated so he shot stuff in his muscle to sleep and 15 minutes later shot stuff in his heart. I took him home. I had him on my bed and I had my hand near the heart and could feel something ever so often like some type of twitching. Then his bladder released. I’m not upset with the vet because he took his time listening, but I just need to know was he suffering and I didn’t know. He was almost 21 and it would break my heart because he trusted me.
That twitching is quite common, and it’s due to random spasms of the spinal nerves. If his heart as stopped, he’d gone – it’s just that the nerves occasionally take a while to “stop” afterwards. So although really unpleasant, not anything to worry about or beat yourself up about.
It’s good to know that most vets know how to give painless and stress-free euthanasia for your pets. My dog has kidney problems, and he has not been doing very well lately. He’s always in pain, which is why we’re considering pet euthanasia to keep him out of misery. I’ll try to start looking for a clinic that does pet euthanasia. Thanks for this.
I had to put my beautiful German Shepard down. She wasn’t gaining any weight and the vet thought she possibly had intestinal cancer. She came in and said she was giving Nasha a sedative. Said it was something they give for animals going into surgery. Injected it into the hind leg. Within a minute Nasha dropped to the floor. The vet said she was in a deep sleep, could hear me but wouldn’t be able to see me because her vision would be distorted. I sat on the floor next to her, telling her I loved her, how sorry I was and she was a good girl. Just listening to her deep breathing. The vet came back in 2 minutes later and did a heart stick. Something I could not watch so I stepped out for a minute. When I came back in Nasha was still taking very deep breaths just further apart. The vet told me it was aganol breathing. She arched her back a few times and stretch her body out, still taking deep breaths. This is something I can’t get over. This went on for 5 minutes. The vet said her stopped. Now I want to know did my baby girl suffer? Was she fighting to stay alive? I am filled with so much guilt. I wish I could go back and redo that day.
Why heart stick–were the veins collapsed That’s should be a last resort.So sorry for your loss. Just had a nightmare with my GSD who was given sedation prior to anesthesia
Sadly, that sort of reflex action is very common – it’s nothing the vet did wrong and it’s nothing that you did wrong. These reflexes start after the dog has already gone, so although it’s distressing to watch, she wasn’t there any more – it’s just the body’s reaction.
I had a 14yr husky which I thought was healthy as she showed no signs till the night before. As we woke up 7 hours later with her lifeless and dehydrated we ruch her to the nearest hospital. Never in my life have I felt so rush to be pushed out of there when the doc told me she had Pyometra and it was to late to perform surgery. It seemed that she just wanted to go home and had something to do. Whether the case may be. We thought she got brought to the back for an exam and put an IV in her when we were able to see her and made the decision that we needed to put her down she had her back leg shaved I did not look like she had anything for an injection. Like an IV. As we were on the room. The doctor added a needles with 2 connections as if she already had plans to put her down. With getting the decision paperwork being shoved in my face only given 5 minutes to say goodbye she was prepared to inject and get us out. From the moment we walked in the door. Till the moment we left took 28 minutes exactly. From the moment she left to get the medication and came back the doctor had two vials in her hand. Before she injected if she injected in the same area she did with the IV she said yes in the back left leg. Which there was no sign of IV as if she wasn’t trying at all and was more focused on putting her down. She looked at us as if we had no money anyways to perform a surgery. Whether the case may be it came to the point putting her down. The doctor got if I already and injected. When the doctor injected my dog screamed and twitched really bad. The dock only gave her one out of the two injection. I need answers on exactly what I need to do or how this is done and the correct way
I’m so, so sorry for your loss.
There are a number of points here, so I’ll look at each one separately.
Firstly, you felt you were pushed towards euthanasia rather than any other approach. Without knowing all the medical details, it’s difficult to be sure – however, a dog with a pyometra who presents collapsed, unconscious and dehydrated is very, very, very sick. It often suggests that the pyo has burst, causing septic peritonitis, and secondary toxic shock. Some of the findings from a basic clinical examination (e.g. the heart rate, body temperature, and gum colour) can more or less confirm this. At this stage, the success rate of surgery is very low, and there is a fairly high probability of causing more suffering without any benefit for the dog. My suspicion would be that the veterinarian had come to that conclusion – although you would need to discuss the details with them to be sure. This sounds to me more like a communications failure than a clinical one – for whatever reason, the veterinary staff don’t seem to have explained clearly to you what was happening or why they were making those decisions. I’m sure they were trying to do the best for your dog, but clearly it’s left you upset and concerned.
Secondly, how rushed they were. This is more understandable – it is likely that they had other patients – possibly other critically ill dogs and cats – waiting for them. There’s a principle called triage that we use in emergency and critical care, and although it sounds harsh it is necessary to enable limited care resources to be used appropriately. If there were only one or two veterinarians on duty and several critically ill patients, their focus would have to be on those where treatment would be life-saving, rather on those where through sheer bad luck it was already too late. Once again, though, this sounds like a communication failure rather than anything else.
Thirdly, the euthanasia process. These situations are very difficult – and it is truly horrible when things go wrong. In my experience, animals who are very very sick often react unpredictably to the euthanasia agents; however, I cannot comment on the two injections as it depends exactly what protocol was being used. Sadly, a very few dogs do vocalise and twitch after euthanasia – usually, this is a reflex action, and not a conscious one, however unpleasant it looks.
I suspect the veterinary staff you dealt with were very busy, very stressed, and didn’t communicate well. I’m sure they would be horrified and deeply distressed if they realised how upset you were – none of us go into this profession without being compassionate, but unfortunately, burnout and compassion fatigue are really common in veterinary professionals.
I hope that’s helpful for you; my advice is to try and remember your dog as she was before her last illness. All the best, David.
We had our dog PTS at home recently. It was my elderly mothers dog and as only one person allowed to be present, she stayed. The vet checked our pets heart and then jabbed a sedative needle into the leg muscle, which the dog squealed at and jumped off the needle and he dropped it. He then had to give a second sedative injection. My mum had not understood the medical terminology when he explained what he intended to do. She assume it would via IV route. Sadly and shockingly, he said he checked for consciousness and after 30 mins of the sedative having been given, he administered an intracardiac injection. My mum said her dog made a physical movement and vocal sound when he put the needle in, described it as a stabbing type of action. He placed 5ml of the medication in and withdrew the needle…..as she had made movement which i think shows she was not fully unconscious? ?? he then listened to her heart again, said she was defibulating and fighting so he gave another intracardiac injection! it was horrendous. Surely 1 should have been enough. Surely this should have only been used for specific medical reasons, none of which applied to our dog. It was truly awful and has left us with a sort of PTSD as we cannot get it out our minds.
What a horrible experience – I’m so sorry. Euthanasias can be really difficult at the best of times, let alone when things go wrong.
To add to the 3 attempts to inject euthanizing fluid, there was no attempt to confirm our cat had died by checking his heart. They all left the room and my son was not sure if our pet had actually passed.
We’re quite good at checking by other methods, especially when the owner is looking in a different direction – although personally I much prefer to make it clear that I have checked, for my own peace of mind as much as anyone else’s.
Our 17 year-old cat with advanced kidney disease required 3 attempted injections and leg shavings to euthanize. He hissed and cried at the second attempt. The vet had to call in a more experienced vet tech. Was there a reason the vet could not properly inject into our pet’s veins? I think he said they were small, but we felt so bad having him suffer like this.
Sadly, it happens a lot, especially – in my experience – in cats with kidney disease. The blood vessels are often prone to “collapse” or “blow”, presumably because the walls are weak with age. I’m pretty sure the vet was as upset about it as you were!
My Lhasa has to be put down. After giving the sedative, the vet could not find a vein to put cathedral in. He finally gave her a shot through her stomach and then a little bit more. She finally passed but I wonder if this is normal. I can’t stop thinking about it. He said due to kidney disease her veins were very difficult to get to. Please let me know if giving a shot in stomach is normal for euthanasia.
It’s not ideal, but if the veins have collapsed, it is sometimes the least-bad option. Another alternative is injecting into a kidney, which is a little faster, but harder in a dog. From what you’ve said, I think that was probably the right thing to do under the circumstances – injections into the heart are the only other option and they are so painful that most vets consider that completely unethical in an even partially conscious patient.
In deep sadness I had to make this heartbreaking decision 3 days ago to my loving 13 yo Aussie girl Mya who had dementia (cry in the evenings with high anxiety, could barely walk on her own, required help to hold her up butt up during all potty times). She also had both back legs operated requiring plates and screws so may have had some osteoarthritis. She suffered from Cushioning’s disease resulting in medication 2x day. Mya of course still had happy moments and was still eating well. I cannot forgive myself or forget the horror Mya was going through during this procedure. She cried and screamed so loud. Far from being peaceful as they said it would be. After the fact, they explained that was not normal and Mya just experienced “a bad trip”. I am just asking for some help understanding this procedure, is this reaction normal, was it her mind fighting it, was she in pain and how can I overcome this and feel at peace. I am hopeful she is at peace and forgives me.
That really is not normal – sadly, unusual drug reactions like this are sometimes seen in dogs with severe dementia. Even then, it’s really uncommon – really, really awful but it still sounds like you did the right thing.
We had the most horrible experience when we put our kitty to sleep. The vet injected the drug at lightening speed in one go and our kitty literally tried to attack in her final moments. The horror and shock in her eyes. What happens when the euthanasia drug is administered so quickly???
It’s very, very unusual for that reaction to occur – unfortunately, some cats have hat’s called a paradoxical reaction to the anaesthetic agent. So sorry for your experience – it’s horrible when it happens.
I wanted to share my experience recently.my 11 year old Schnauzer buddy had to be euthanized because of complications from diabetes. I had never done this procedure with any of my animals previously so this was all a new experience. My dog was sitting on my lap alert and responsive before the vet came in and took him to a back room to get him ready to be euthanized she said she would be back with you in a minute and then I can spend as much time as soon as I wanted before saying goodbye for about 15 minutes I could hear him back there yelping and crying yelping and crying and I was sobbing myself because I didn’t know what to do what she was doing to him after about 15 minutes she came back with my dog she said him on the table and he slumped over a lifeless I pulled his eyelid back in his the whites of his eyes was completely red and this time listening at the side of his mouth and he was unresponsive I started crying and crying asking her what’s wrong with him what’s wrong with him he’s already dead she said she didn’t know I said was that him crying and yelling in the back room and she said no but she was lying I feel very cheated out of being able to be with my best friend for the last moments of his life from the way she brought him back to me no one explained to me what happened to him and so I just kissed him on the face told him I loved him and walked out like a coward now my life is so traumatized I can hardly go through the days I think of him constantly and I cry daily I hate myself for taking him there what happened to him in the back room if they did something to him they should have told me so I knew how he was going to be returned to me but she said she’d be right back with them and I would be able to sit with him and talk to him before I said goodbye which was a lie he was unresponsive when she brought him back and nobody explained anything to me I hate that plays and I hate myself for taking him there
I’m so sorry to hear about that. That really is NOT the normal way it goes.
Our Shihtzu was PTS by injection into his heart as he was in acute heart failure vet said there wouldn’t be a valid vain she never checked if there was he was cyanosis of tongue and gums and was semi conscious I was with him but he cries out when they injected him and I will always feel so guilty surely she should have checked to see if a vein could of been used that was 5 and 1/2 yrs ago