“Rip-off veterinary fees” were the subject of a recent poll on a vets-only website.
In answer to the question “How often does your practice receive complaints about the prices it charges?“, the results were:
- All the time – 16%
- Fairly often – 53%
- Hardly ever – 30%
- Never – 1%
So around 69% of vet clinics get regular complaints about their fees, and given that many people may feel irritated about fees without vocalising their concern to the vet, the true level of discontent is likely to be even higher. This is clearly an aspect of veterinary care that pet owners feel strongly about.
I always find this a difficult topic to discuss: as a vet, I can’t help feeling defensive, and it’s all too easy to write a self-justifying commentary. Sceptical readers may then brush off any of my explanations: “well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?”. The challenge is that only vets know about the detailed financial background to running a veterinary practice; we’re the only ones in a position to be able to explain why vets seem to charge so much. So please bear with me while I do my best to address some of the main myths about veterinary fees.
1. “Veterinary fees are so expensive that they must be a rip off”
Human medical costs are perhaps the nearest equivalent to veterinary costs, but free medical care in the NHS means that the public in the UK have no appreciation of what’s involved. As an example, a bitch spay may seem pricey at £300, while the standard cost of a human hysterectomy is around £5000 when done by a private human surgeon. Such comparisons make veterinary fees seem like ridiculously good value.
2. “Vets are loaded: you never see a poor vet”
Look at the facts. The most recent survey of vets’ earnings in the UK is carried out by the Society of Practising Veterinary Surgeons showed that the median salary of vets who have been qualified for a year is £32000. This rises to £41232 after five years of experience in practice, but it doesn’t shift much higher than this subsequently. The median salary of a vet qualified between 10 and 20 years is between £45000 and £52000. The hourly rate for vets ranges from £15 for new graduates to around £25 for vets with many years experience.
So vets are paid well enough, but nobody could call them “loaded”. When you compare these rates of pay with other professions, it’s clear that if a young person is motivated primarily by earning money, the veterinary profession is the wrong one to choose.
3. “Vets clean up with pet insurance. The first question they ask is: do you have your pet insured?”
Why do people presume that vets ask this question with pound signs in their eyes? Yes, we do often ask the question, but people misunderstand the reason for it. If a pet is not insured, the owner will have to cover the costs themselves, and rather than shocking owners afterwards, vets prefer to give a detailed estimate, perhaps with different options, in advance. When a pet is insured, there’s no need to go over such detail beforehand with the owner: the focus can immediately be to attend to the animal, in the knowledge that appropriate costs will be covered without the owner having to worry about them.
4. “When a pet has a serious injury or accident, if you can’t afford to pay for it, vets often suggest that the animal should be put down. A genuine animal loving vet would never do that. If vets cared about animals, they’d do it for free”
The problem here is that there is no such thing as “zero cost” treatment. Given that vets receive 20 to 25% of the fees charged, simple arithmetic shows that 75 – 80% of vets’ fees are needed to cover the non-vet costs of treating an animal. If a vet gave you a 10 – 12.5% discount, they are effectively taking a 50% reduction in their take-home pay. If you are given a 20 – 25% reduction, the vet is doing it for free. And if the vet does the work at no charge, then he or she is actually giving you money for the benefit of treating your pet. Much as vets may feel a desire to do this from time to time, they do need to earn a salary so that they can pay for their own living costs.
Vets operate in an open market: competition means that people are free to shop around to choose the best value vet in their area. If you feel that vets’ fees are still “too expensive”, ask yourself what corners you would like your vet to cut. Do you want less time with your vet? Do you want him to pay his nurses less? Do you want him to use cheaper surgical and medical products? Would you like him to move to a part of town where property is cheaper? Do you want him to decorate his clinic less often? Should he undertake less continuing education so that he isn’t as up to date with treatments?
Please don’t just assume that vets are “ripping you off”: if money was our main motivation in life, we’d all have left our profession many years ago.
Discussion
Thank you for providing me a place to vent as Just concluded a vet visit and they told me would be X. At end of exam wanted 2x. Double the money.
Then told could not complain as was rude and could go somewhere else.
I appreciate the opportunity to have my say as could not do it at vets.
Did that include meds and treatment or was that the actual consult fee that had gone up?
Just came from the vet. Checked and triple checked. Waited a month. Told the exam would cost 180 dollars. Prepared for that price. Then get there and suddenly it is 400 dollars. The vet may be billing correctly but where does he expect person that budgeted for around 200 to suddenly pay double.
Suggest when you say it will cost x amount then that is what it should cost.
The reason I used this vet service was due to low cost able to afford. Drove out of my way and waited a month. At that price could have went to a much closer vet.
I was unhappy and said so to receptionist. The vet manager told me that I was wrong to be angry and tell receptionist why and he was correct as it was not her fault or was it. She told me the price originally and then the price is doubled. Office manager said I could use a different vet. Well. After finding an affordable vet and checking the price and it doubled then maybe I will.
Suggest when you tell a customer the cost will be x, then make it x.
If they cannot afford it then they will be able to find a different solution then coming into your vet clinic.
Have they lost a customer? Not sure yet. Going to give the vet another chance as vet and people nice just doubled the price of service i came for and so at this point my liking for vets is at a low ebb, Putting them in the catagory of car sales people. You know when you go to buy a new car will be screwed, the question is how much by. Same at the vet. Used to not be this way. …..How much expendable income can be spent on a pet. This is the rub. Many do not have hundreds of dollars to spend.
Vets have become too expensive. There is no other option except to home remedy your pets and ask other people. Of 30 people in a room about 10 cannot afford a vet. Vets are entitle to make as much money as they want.
The gap is the problem. Not sure how to fix the problem. But for sure do not say over phone have one charge and then at end of appointment charge more. Makes vet have a bad name.
Regarding estimates, I understand your point. An estimate will occasionally be wrong – because the animal will prove to have a very different problem from what we think. But fixed ticket items like the cost of examination should always be the same.
However, there is also the issue that the cost of the consultation might be the same, but the cost of the meds is not included in an estimate. This is helped by the use of itemised bills (which over here in the UK we’re obliged to do). The problem with giving an estimate for a medical problem is that you don’t know what the fee is going to be until you know what the problem is, and you don’t know what the problem is until you’ve seen the animal!
I just had a cat go in with hyperkalemia and they had to give him a catheter because he couldn’t urinate. They said that it would be $2500 dollars so I paid it and now they are trying to keep him longer and charge another $1000 even though they know we can’t pay anymore. How is that not an abuse of power, so to speak?
A blocked bladder is a medical emergency – cats without treatment will die. However, while I don’t know what the situation in the US is, over here you should always have been given an estimate for the cost, and if it was a struggle the vet has a responsibility to offer a range of options BEFORE they start doing anything other than first aid emergency care – including euthanasia, if necessary.
And just for context, they did not give him any kind of surgery or anything just a catheter and an IV solution.
“Do you want him to pay his nurses less?”
Yeah, like the quote for surgery… $350 per hour for a vet tech (actual quote I have). Oh, really? You’re paying your vet techs $350 per hour? No. You’re paying them maybe $35 per hour for a certified one. About a 1000% markup. The vet themselves don’t even get a 1000% markup. You needing a vet tech is a cost of your business. Why am I paying a markup just because you need a vet tech to run your business? I want to start a lemonade stand and charge people 1000% my the cost of my plumbing so they can have my refreshing drink.
A very very unusual quote – and definitely not the norm! I’ve never seen a veterinary practice quote for nursing time for routine work (as opposed to extra time that they have to put in), and that seems very very high. I’m aware that medical inflation is a huge problem in the US because of your unique approach to funding, but I suspect that there’s more going on there…
Just try to ask your vet for an estimate of services. You NEVER get a straight answer. I’ve been to a number of vets. In my area, they seem to be as common as a starbucks.
It’s also clear they all abide by the same general guidelines that their association puts forth. 10 years ago, they would do exams right in front of you. Then all of a sudden NOBODY does exams in front of you.
If you don’t want complaints, then be transparent.
I’m guessing you’re US based? Here in the UK, a fairly accurate estimate is required on the consent forms; if you don’t have an estimate, you are perfectly within your rights to refuse consent until you’ve got one.
Giving a misleading estimate or refusing to do so would be in breach of sections 9.10 and 9.11 the Code of Professional Conduct set out by our regulator, and could easily result in the vet or veterinary nurse responsible facing disciplinary action or being struck off.
Hmmm…I’m not sure taking it personally is the correct approach. I don’t think people are actually blaming the veterinary practice itself but just the fact that it does seem expensive.
I agree it is helpful to understand the costs just like understanding when you go to a garage to get your car fixed, much of the cost is for the work and hours involved.
You can defend the costs as much as you want but it is also important for people to understand that when they go to a vet, they are paying for a consultation along with whatever meds they receive, and that there are cheaper alternative options. Such as buying medication online and along with that there should be better available information so people know when it is serious or not. The NHS have done this by bringing in a non urgent contact number.
That is the crux of the frustration that people have. When you look at advice on veterinary websites, the guidance is always check with a vet with pretty much every symptom. That is a completely lazy approach to minor problems. Unnecessary for vets and unnecessary for pet owners.
So to take a defensive stance is to misunderstand the crux of the frustration. On the surface it seems like it is a complaint towards veterinary practises but I don’t think it is. Its the lack of transparency and the feeling of arbitrariness in costs as well as fluctuation and variations from practise to practise.
After all, I’m not aware of any price regulation and anywhere else in business, competition should theoretically bring prices down but they are actually rising.
You can’t blame pet owners for feeling a little hard done by. I don’t think it is a lack of appreciation.
I once took my dog to the vets for ear infection. It ended up costing £70. That annoyed me but recently I took my dog and I felt it was a necessary visit and it was reasonably priced. The service was great and I had no qualms about it whatsoever.
I don’t think the issue is black or white. I think it is more a frustration with the system in which it operates rather than it being directed at individual practises.
Just to add, I’ve never heard anyone say they think vets are rich. And also you are defending vets as if they are poor. They are on a pretty decent wage if you ask me. Yet the system still poses a problem for vets as they see their wages sway out of line with inflation, year by year.
I don’t really have the answer but I’m sure small changes could be made to make a significant change. I don’t think we should expect too much from vets pricing but we shouldn’t be so naive to think the matter cant be improved upon and agree with the attitude of tough, it is the way it is, deal with it.
In the USA the government makes you go to a vet for certain shots and treatments. No choice but to pay the price. The Vet knows this.
What strikes me most about the article and vet responses are how flippant and as usual opaque they are. Vets have just learned from medical doctors and hospitals charge whatever you can on the open market, because in the end for all the noble we care for the living it all about the BMW. So either the vast majority of people feel they are being ripped off by this system, and the only people defending are the vets are we really being the unreasonable ones. And for those who say that vet services is an open market- if you have to get licensed to work it isn’t an open market. And everybody then just colludes to keep prices artificially high.
In most civilised countries human healthcare is considered a human right, so there’s no open market.
However, while most societies do not feel that way about animal healthcare, they do feel that animal welfare should be protected so only qualified practitioners can medicate or perform surgery. And good healthcare is expensive, whatever species you are. Sadly, the options are:
1) Universal healthcare for animals – increasing national taxes to pay for it.
2) The current system whereby the vets try to do the best they can within your budget, and you can choose a more or less expensive practice
3) State mandated veterinary fees whereby every animal gets a bare-bones treatment only, but any more than that and they must suffer or be put down because it costs too much.
Which system would you prefer?
The system where they post prices and the prices posted are the same as on the bottom of the bill. Have never walked out of VET office and paid same price as told over phone.
That’s really odd – we have quite strict rules about estimates over here, and all the vets I know are really careful about it. It can be wrong of course – you admit a cat for a scale and polish and only after you’ve got them on the table do you find you have to extract 15 teeth, but if it’s going to go out of the estimate in anything other than an emergency, we’re supposed to get consent for that!
False dichotomy. Be up front with your pricing, that’s all.
I entirely agree with being up front about pricing. Here in the UK, itemised invoices and estimates before any work is done are the norm – in fact, it would be considered professional misconduct not to do so. Personally, I’d love it if more vets put their “standard prices” up on their websites so clients could compare. The problem is that most veterinary fees are distress purchases, “standard fees” don’t really work terribly well. If there’s a sick or inured animal, either (a) someone pays, (b) we euthanase or animal, or (c) animal welfare suffers. Doing (c) is something most vets want to avoid because we don’t want to suffer. Doing (b) is something most owners want to avoid. So that leaves us with (a): someone has to pay!
The previous post was untrue about vets caring only for the money, and that was the point I was addressing.
Just a comment about various comments I’ve seen
In my option I’d you can’t afford the vet bills I’d something goes wrong and you can’t afford pet insurance you probably should have a pet.
I know it’s harsh but it’s what a responsible person would do.
Just a comment about various comments I’ve seen.
In my opinion if you can’t afford the vet bills if something goes wrong and you can’t afford pet insurance, you probably shouldn’t have a pet.
I know it’s harsh but it’s what a responsible person would do.
I think this is what you meant to say.
Sorry, but this just inst convincing enough, especially for folks living in the richest country on Earth – The US. The 24hr clinics here drool over the ability to gouge owners. There’s only two, so they simply run the market and successfully gouge everyone. The 9-5 vet clinics never gouge as badly, and typically have better levels of care. There needs to be some kind of FTC intervention on this kind of pricing, so vets cannot legally charge that.
In USA a dog snake bit will run you $3,000 to 1$5,000 vet bill. You will be paying that off for the next 10 years. Is said 80 percent of dogs bit by anything but a rattle snake will recover by own self.
That sounds plausible – but which 20% won’t?! We don’t know…
This blog is specifically about the UK situation – but it sounds like there are similar issues everywhere!
Regardless of the reasons and excuses of vet Bill’s they are so high people cant afford to have a pet all those dogs in shelters no one can take because bet bills put them.off
My dog is I’ll she has a tumour and struggling to pay the Bill’s I’m.a pensioner and no vet where I live will not do a payment plan for you they want the money no paying up ive has to borrow .money putting me in.debt
Sadly I don’t have pet insurance
Most people cant afford that either
Does your supermarket let you have a payment plan? Ultimately, someone has to pay for the care your pet needs. The vast majority of vets will offer care to suit the budget that the client has – but that does mean that the more expensive treatments aren’t available unless you have insurance or can afford it. We are very lucky in the UK to have the NHS, and it makes it easy for us to forget just how expensive healthcare really is, for any species.
My private dentist offers direct debit, amazon offer credit through direct debit, curry’s, pc World offer payment plans, I have a payment plan on my private health insurance, so why can’t vets offer payment plans
Because all of those businesses have chosen to go through the massive FCA compliance process (except your private dentist who will pay an external company to run the scheme for them – much more profit in dentistry than veterinary medicine!).
I personally have had an experience which was not unpleasant because of high prices, but because of the totally random fluctuations going on. Our bitch had a uterine infection and needed a spay which cost £1600. Thats the price the vet gave us when they initially saw her. Then we couldnt afford it, started a gofundme etc, but the bitch was so bad when they had another look at her that they say she needs the surgery soon or to be put down. Then we call to check on the price and ask for an invoice. Then they say £1000, then £900, then £2500. Same single surgery, and they know who is calling. We then gave up, to go to a different practise and they charge £600 for the surgery. Goes up to £800, because the situation with her was severe. then when they open her up they find she had ruptured and had to be put down. An unfortunate situation, but this random fluctuation in prices in that first practise being given is so inexcusable that I am considering complaining. Again its the same practise, same single surgery for the same case we’re talking about here. Do I have a case? Surely this sort of either blatant price gouging or miscommunication can be punished or reprimanded? We ask for an invoice for this £1600 surgery, they take many days, we call, and then the price changes, they put us on hold, they say the price is actually £2500, and all this..This is not a question of compensating the vet this is just objectively ridiculous, surely?
That’s very strange – there’s something very odd going on there. I think it’s definitely worth trying to find out what the issue was, because that sort of fluctuation isn’t normal.
My vets charge double the price of medication than it costs online. They do not display information about the vets code of conduct regarding prescriptions. Disgraceful. My dog is on 4 medications and costly. Insurance companies won’t touch her. No wonder people end up giving up their dogs. I may have to give up my home before I do though.
I came across this blog whilst doing ironically enough a Google search for cost of veterinary prescription charges in my area. Why? Because like many I’m looking to save a bit of money, I’ve long known why meds are so much more expensive direct from practices and unless an animal requires long term medication I swallow the cost as I know it can make a significant contribution to running costs.
In my area, the costs of consultations, standard procedures such as spay and neuter do not seem to have risen in line with inflation in the last 20+ years. They are not excessive, they are proportional, some even offer the choice of an appointment with a nurse first to try and help reduce consultation fees.
Yes, it can be horrifically expensive, I’ve had years where I’ve spent more on vets bills than my mortgage, but I’ve never considered them to be excessive, it costs money to run a practice and I’ll be honest, if vet owned practices (which seem to be getting fewer by the year) do make a decent profit, why not? They studied for years, and will have significant student debt because of it, they have a very high stress job, work long unsociable hours, and deal with heartache, grief and loss every day. I’ve never seen practice staff not get upset at a loved pet having to be euthanised. They are humans, with feelings and their own mental health to care for, so don’t deserve abuse from customers.
I’m sure that there those that do rip off people, those which do unnecessary procedures, but like any field they will be in the minority, the few rather than the many. Most of those I’ve dealt with have been compassionate, if weary and jaded in some cases (seemed especially the emergency services).
Two years ago my indoor kitty somehow broke her pelvis in two places, was rushed to the emergency vets on the Friday night, was there until the following Thursday after having reconstruction surgery on the Monday. We were encouraged to go visit her every day, which we did and all the staff were amazing, so emergency admission, five day inpatient, xrays, surgery and drugs cost under £2k. If we had private healthcare in the UK it would cost that to have pain meds and xrays in the emergency room!
No, I don’t nor have I ever worked for a vets, nor is my partner one, I foster for a cat rescue and so even without my own pets needs being met, I go to the vets a lot.
Big, big thank you to those who care for our beloved pets, this article ironically enough has probably persuaded me to swallow the extra costs of meds direct from the vets this month that I was trying to cut down 😂😂 in pretty sure covid is hitting you guys financially as well
You go in to a bar here in Spain and pay 1.25eur for a coffee. You walk in to Starbucks and pay over 3eur. That more than double. Starbucks are full, nobody complains.
I am a vet and have worked for many years in Spain and over a decade in the UK.
Cost mostrar often than not will reflect the quality. I can do a cystotomy in a practice and charge £800 where we use a pulseox (£300) and capnograph (£800) with inhalatory anaesthesia (£££) with 2 nurses, one looking after the dog in theatre and another dedicated to the aftercare. The dog was xrayed (£40K machine) and scanned (£35K machine) to check no stones in kidneys.
I can do the same procedure in another practice with injectable anaesthesia and 1 nurses in and out of theatre with no dedicated hospital nurse and a stethoscope for monitoring for £300.
The outcome may be exactly the same and yet double the difference.
After 10 years practicing in the UK I can clearly differentiate the types of clients that make these comparisons. Its not their fault, it is a failure to understand, ignorance in some cases and an absolute misconception of what vets are and why they do it.
I have seen 2 head vets commit suicide and over 15 with mental health issues, none of them rich and all trying to do the best job they can at any time. Individuals that would have less stress and earn more in another type of industry but the fulfilment they receive in fixing or helping animals is something only they can understand.
I think the general public need to get a grip, especially in the UK, and start behaving like normal human beings.
Then price it up front and put same price on bill. The person can walk away if they cannot afford it. Be transparent with billing.
I’m a vet and a hospital owner.
I just want to say that I am a person with rights too. With the risk of sounding sarcastic, I need to rest, eat and feel safe. Even procreate. Oh, and I’m not rich at all – I’m actually financially struggling.
I agree with the article. Seems like almost everyone knows more than veterinarians about the costs of running a vet clinic or hospital. I find it interesting that when the starting sentence of a comment is not capitalised then you know the veterinary industry is going to be slammed. Lastly, ironically, there are a lot of comment sections like this complaining of ‘how BAD my vet was’ (and not about the costs as with this one). It’s a damn you if you do, and damn you if you don’t situation for vets.
I once heard a saying from a colleague: “good veterinary medicine is not cheap, and cheap veterinary medicine is not good”. If you want cheap, shop around. You will find cheap, but then don’t go and run to the internet to tell everyone about your bad experience.
I took my dog to three different vets for a check up. I had the strangest few days of my life. I had been told many horror stories about vets, but I never expected this. My usual vet, a lovely women, who when something is expensive, she goes through every stage with you explaining the cost, and with medication will tell you were you can buy them, as the prices she is forced to charge are much higher than what they actually cost. Any way, she gave my staffy a clean bill of health, not surprising she is a little over eight, nothing an extra walk a day for a week didn’t fix, for both of us in fact. Now I trust my vet completely, so what I did next was nothing against her, intact she knew I was doing it and asked me to report back. I took her to three different vets, all of whom had different consultation charges. The first said that she was majorly over weight and would need a special diet, 35 pound for a 2kg bag, that they sell in the vets, a staffys average weight for a female is 11-15kg, she comes up at just shy of 16kg, if that’s majorly over weight then hells bells these dogs that really are over weight and you can see it across the street must be inches from death. The second told me that she had various skin deseases, she doesn’t I thought this when she first came to live with me because she was nibbling and scratching loads, turned out she had been moved around alot, her chip didn’t even have her most recent owners name on it, it was all down to stress and a mild allergy to household dusts, she told me of all the different available things to treat this, in the end, as a pagan I have a deeper trust in herbal to chemical, so I chose a all natural herbal remedy that fantastically deals with other stuff as well, helping her coat teeth and bones at the same time, with camomile to keep her calm, my main vet even showed me the stuff on Amazon at half the price she is allowed to sell it at. So back to vet two and what I already knew was a lie, she wanted to keep my dog in for a week, listing all these various treatments that would end up costing me nearly 3grand, not including the basic fees and holding fees. The third, another male, this one was actually an Indian man, he checked her over, and the same as my usual vet gave her a clean bill of health, and mentioned her being a little over weight.
So, I think this shows that the clients are deffinatly wrong for verbal abusing all vets over ‘rip-off prices’, because not all vets are doing it and some, if they know your personal circumstances, for me I am on benefits due to severe mental health problems, that sometimes only my dog can get me through, she even knows when I am going to have a siezure and barks for my carer, even though she has never had any training of this sort, she didn’t have even road safety when she first came to me, she could barley even sit on command. Understanding this my usual vet always make sure sure my dog gets the best vetinary care and then helps me to find the right medications in my price range. Some vets are amazing, but then some vets are far from it, and instead of sitting on your computer’s, mouthing off at clients like children in the playground when your questioned about the rip off vets out there get off your back side and make difference. Do all you can to stop these people that are giving your profession a bad name. Work with the government, fight them if nessacary, to get them to put more funding into vetinary care and find ways to bring down prices, the drugs only cost you that much to buy because the government sets out the prices, and only they can change those laws. If no one speaks up then things will never change. It isn’t like you don’t know that cheaper options are available or you wouldn’t be telling people to shop around.
To the vet that said vets have the highest rate of suicide, you really need to get your facts right, the highest rate of suicide at the moment it in males between the ages of 16-30 years old, vets are about 160 on the list. The list is post on the notice board on my phychiatrists notice board. Be careful what you say, things like that can really hurt and offend people, when they have been on the ledge and sectioned for two years and still aren’t quite back to normal.
Prove to us that you really care by stopping those that seek to rip off pet owners. It may be hard work and it may take up more of your time, but if you really cared it wouldn’t matter, all fights take time and energy. Could you imagine if those that fought for women’s rights, black rights and gay rights said ‘oooh it’s toouch work, I’ve got a job, I’ve got kids, I haven’t got time for that. Where would we be today. The fight is yours as vets to make, a very small handful are trying there best but they need you.
SO WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ON HERE ARGUEING AND CRYING LIKE SMALL CHILDREN!!
Hi,
Thanks for your comment. As you say, the veterinary profession is not a single monolithic organisation – different vets will have different ideas of what problems need working up, and also what pricing is appropriate for their business. It is also, of course, true that vets are encouraged to sell diets and drugs in some practices much more than in others. Overall, that’s one of the reasons that we think client reviews of practices are so useful – they allow animal owners like yourself to give recognition to all the good professionals out there.
Hi, old post I know but I have just taken my new puppy to the vets for its second jabs as the breeder did it’s first, I was told he couldn’t have them as he has slightly runny poos so I would have to go back I’ve just been charged £49 to stand there for 2 minutes and will now have to pay a consultation fee to go back again in a few days aswell as the jabs on top. Plus she tried telling me to come back next Monday when I pointed out that will be longer than 4 weeks since the first so wouldn’t that mean I have to start over again she said oh yes good job you mentioned that. So in my eyes I have been ripped off and if I had stuck to her next Monday date I would have to start the whole injection process again costing me alot more. £49 to not even do anything is a joke. Not all vets are rip offs but people like this give the profession a bad name
The vet did the right thing in the best interest of the pup. Yes it may cost more but under the RCVS that would be the right thing to do. You can’t win, vaccinate and then social media trolls tell you the vet shouldn’t have vaccinated. Don’t vaccinate and you’ve been ripped off. So are you saying we should work for free? Do you do that at your job? Please get a grip.
And this is why vets have the highest suicide rate in the UK. I cry for my clients almost daily. I try my best but yet I am still faced with this abuse. So what do I do? Take a needle from the cupboard and end it all. We’re only human, we try, and we sometimes we fail. We are not rich people by any means. We love animals and anyone that slates us hurts us deeply. So vet to client, I’m trying, I’m trying to save your pocket, I’m trying to stop your animal suffering and I’m trying to keep my own head above the water so I can so that.
I think we need to acknowledge that, as in any other human endeavor, there will be vets who are empathetic in their manner, and honest and fair when it comes to charges. By the same token, it is naive to think that there are not rip-off artists among their number. Unfortunately, you often discover this only after you have been stung.
For everybody’s sake, vets need to be more open about their costs and charges. As an accountant, I know that it is misleading to say that vets earn only a certain portion from every pound charged. In reality, they have certain fixed charges (e.g. clinic rentals, salaries, depreciation of equipment etc.) and others that vary in proportion to the services provided. The consultation fee should therefore cover fixed expenses and the vet’s own salary/profit, whereas variable charges (medication, food, MRI scans etc.) should be charged at the cost of those services. In other words, a transparent system where people pay towards necessary overheads, as well as for the specific activities that the vet must carry out on their animal. At present, medication and food charges are being hugely inflated to cover fixed charges, leaving people without a good understanding of finance with a very real sense that they are being cheated. The veterinary profession needs to do itself a favour and encourage far more transparency; until they do so, they cannot complain when people complain about inconsistent service charges, and medicine charges that are many times higher than the retail price obtainable from a reputable online provider (five times higher, in a recent experience of mine). The present system of cross-subsidisation of services is not only confusing, it means, for example, that people who might never require an MRI scan for their pet, are having to subsidise those who do. The body controlling the veterinary profession should require vets to use a standardised costing and charge-out system; only then can users make viable comparisons, and only then can unethical vets be identified and ostracised.
AJ – thanks for your comments. I agree that there is a challenge for the public to fully understand when they are being charged fairly: it’s a real challenge for the profession too.
Your idea of charging the fixed costs as part of the initial consultation is good in theory, but in practice, it would mean a significant rise in the costs of the consultation, so you would have to have the entire profession “jumping” at the same time, or folk would start to go to the vets with cheaper consults (but more expensive investigation costs). Also, I think it is fair that everyone cross-subsidises expensive items like MRI scans – if they did not, the cost would become unmanageable for those who need it. The justification is that everyone who MIGHT need an MRI scan is asked to pay a small fee to make the MRI scanner available when needed. Re drug costs, online sales will always be cheaper – the overheads are so much lower – you will always have to pay a premium price for immediate availability (just as I do when I buy swimming goggles or running shoes from a local shop for convenience rather than buying the same product from an online warehouse).
Unfortunately, the “Ryanair” model is pervasive in our culture: draw the customer in with a cheap upfront price (in vets this could be consult or vaccine booster) then if people veer off the standard track (extra bags for Ryanair, blood tests and xrays in vets), then they get charged a whallop more.
Ultimately, vets need to earn a living that’s appropriate for hard working individuals who have spent many years learning at college and invested in premises and equipment. However you present the way that this financial return is generated, you are never going to make everyone happy.
The simple message is that pet owners should be up front with their vets: ask for an estimate, and shop around for identical products/services. That’s the only way you can be sure that you are getting good value.
Alternatively, find a local vet who you know and trust, and trust them. Nine times out of ten, you won’t be disappointed.
So the question remains: would you rather pay the vets or prepare for some pretty serious DIY? For me those are the same thing, my parents are both vets.
We all know how important it is to have our animals neutered a £190 bill yesterday morning jumped to £320 in the afternoon because the vet had to make another incision above the first one I stood my ground as my earlier recite said £190 were just on normal wages are we expected to pluck it out of the air were are the ethics in charging so much for an op that saves unwanted litters
So many points made hit the nail right on the head. Nobody is saying that Veterinary treatment should be free, nothing in life is free! However, what I think Vets often overlook is that especially in emergency circumstances, only thing on an owner’s mind is getting urgent treatment for their pet. And yes, these pets are family! Not an object or a possession. Many Vets bombard owners with complex terms and in my own experience – hurriedly! 3 weeks ago I had to have my loving companion put to sleep due to congestive heart failure. 6 days prior to this I had consulted a local Vet from a large well known company as my cat had vomited several times and clearly wasn’t well. During the consultation, the vet only briefly physically examined him and was preoccupied with constantly leaving the room to get boxes of tablets and typing on the computer (preparing bill!) She gave a highly rushed explanation about the flea/worm treatment and antibiotic tablets and gave my cat an anti sickness injection – assuring me that it would stop his vomiting. She also did a blood test to rule out poisoning and after 20 minutes returned with a printout waving it about and saying everything was fine and his liver and kidneys were fine. Following day he was sick again and I tried administering the antibiotics by crushing them into his food and offering wrapped in cream cheese and finally in water via an oral syringe. He was drinking water and seemed to be picking up over the next few days. I paid £163 for the first consultation and blood test,meds. 6 days later my cat developed breathing difficulties and I rushed him back to same Vets. We were not seen straight away and when Vet took us through she was visibly shocked at his condition and asked me “what happened since Friday?” I told her he had seemed to be improving as he was eating and drinking although he wouldn’t take the antibiotics. She listened to his chest and said he had a lot of fluid around his lungs and gave him a diuretic injection. She said she was going to give me some tablets to be given every 4hours to keep him passing urine to release pressure of fluid. I explained how he wouldn’t take the antibiotics and she said I should have contacted her. Within several minutes she said he needed to be taken out back for oxygen and that she thought it was likely that something was wrong with his heart and that “it’s very common for young cats to die around 2years of age because of heart problems, and that if it was his heart nothing could really be done.” This was said very matter of factly with little compassion. He was put on oxygen for 20 minutes and I was advised that I had two options…. To give him diuretic tablets orally or to take him to their hospital facility for overnight oxygen and tests on his heart which would cost between £100-200 per day and she estimated that he would need at least 2 days treatment. I have worked all my adult life until recently due to chronic illness and I just can’t magically produce that kind of money out of thin air,however… that does not make me an irresponsible owner just because I can no longer work full time! I told the Vet I wouldn’t be able to take him to their hospital and she just shrugged at me! I rang PDSA hospital (20 miles away) who were very helpful and who’s first concern was that my cat was fit enough to travel to them as he still had breathing problems. I drove him there and they tried so hard to help him. He was put on fluids and given pain relief to ease his pain and suffering. The PDSA vet was honest and compassionate, telling me straight that my cat was very sick and that they would run tests and give him heart medication. I left him overnight in their care and following morning they advised that he was deteriorating despite all that they had done. I went to be with him and held him as he was Put to Sleep…. He was my world and gave me a reason to get up and gave me so much joy and love. So I ask WHY did the first vet not pick up on a heart irregularite? Why did she not offer the antibiotics by injection? I will never know if my cat died due to a chest infection which caused the heart failure or if it was his heart. I feel the first Vet showed little interest or compassion and her preoccupation with grabbing boxes of tablets and typing on the computer instead of thoroughly physically checking my cat over led to his death. They wanted a further payment of £81 at the second visit and I was unable to pay it in full as had to fill the car up with petrol to drive to PDSA (40 mile round trip) I have today received a letter and invoice for outstanding balance of £45 for “Professional Services” I will be complaining to their CEO and if necessary the RCVS as this company do not put the welfare of animals before££££
my next experience was a mast cell tumour needle aspirated on a boxers paw, they told me it cant be a 3 because the dog would be very ill after the 6 months she has had it, they referred me to a specialist as there was a suspicion the tumour may be wrapped around a tendon, the specialist told me a biopsy would be a good idea so they could decide what to do, I said if it was a 1 would surgery with dirty lines be ok as because it was a paw it would be impossible to remove 1cm of surrounding tissue, they said it was unusual to grade them as a 1 because its a risky diagnosis to say the mast cells will not masticise, so i said whats the point of a biopsy that will not mark a 1 and a 3 is not possible as she is alive and healthy after 6 months, I mean is it just a guy in a shed with a rubber stamp with 2 written on it….lol ? the bill was over £1000.00 with no logical course of action suggested, a pointless biopsy followed by dirty surgery, I opted to ignore it and that was a year ago, the dog is still perfectly healthy.
Just quoted £600 for a regular X-ray (with sedation) of my cats leg (limping for a while) by local Vet. As a medic I KNOW this is a total rip off.
I am not commenting on that price to justify it or not, I don’t know anything about your cat etc. However how much would it really cost the NHS to x-ray a leg (several views), sedate a patient and monitor whilst under profound sedation (sedation for X-ray would require as much monitoring as a GA), have a radiologist examine the radiograph, then a Dr to talk to the patient afterwards re diganostic plan? It is incredibly expensive for vet practices to have all the equipment, staff and training to do this.
I too find it difficult to justify not only the charges made by vets but also the variation on prices at different vets. When i had my ferret neutered i rang around various vets and the prices were from 45 pounds to 120 pounds….i obviously chose the cheaper one and they were great. I recently changed vets and rang to book a general health check for 2 of my ferrets, price 25 pounds each, all they do for this is weigh them, look at their eyes and teeth and listen to their heart…..50 quid for perhaps 20 minutes work…..bloody excessive if you ask me
Thank you for your input Kimberly, we would just like to make the point that not every neuter is the same and there are different standards of veterinary care out there. We would urge anyone ‘shopping around’ for veterinary care to assess more than just the price and ask any prospective vet what their practice does to safeguard their patients and ensure a comfortable, quality service for pets.
I don’t think that vets’ fees are especially expensive or unreasonable, but having recently relocated to the UK from my native US (via Belgium for 5 years), I’m having a hard time finding a vet I trust.
I’ve had several negative experiences so far, but the best was last week after having my dog’s teeth cleaned (which I have done regularly, every 2 years, and I don’t complain about the costs!): my new vet wanted me to purchase painkillers for after the procedure, and she wanted to book a follow-up appointment to check the teeth!! It was a Grade 1 Minor scale and polish… and I’d never been offered pain meds by either American or Belgian vet.
Had the follow-up consultation or pain meds been vital, I would have happily paid for them, but I feel vets are trying to milk you for all you’re worth, leaving you to decide what you (as a very non-qualified non-professional!) think is vital and what is just extra.
Need to find yet another UK vet. This will be #4 in just 17 months. 🙁
I still think the charges are excessive, I can’t understand why when you register with a vet the first question they ask is are you insured why? If you can’t afford to pay they won’t treat the animal so what difference would it make, and if you said no what would they do then ask for proof you can pay for treatment. They would get a lot fairer hearing if they would allow payment in instalments but they won’t. And I know the answer to that is that they would get ripped off, but if you are not in a position to pay in instalments you would probably not be at the vets but at the PDSA where you pay a voluntary payment. So I really don’t see why they can’t be a bit more accommodating and understanding.
well the vet i go to don’t like me any more,because I go in with my cat with a researched idea of what it wrong with my cat ,I pay the £35 consultation Fee,get a prescription for the condition (£25 an item) BUT i do not allow him to dispence the drugs at his inflated prices, I take the script and buy the drugs on line (animed.com) for next day delivery.
Example antibiotics vet wanted £128 for 30 tablets ,Animed same tablets £32 including next day service
So my vet don’t like me anymore !
ask yourself do you buy your tyres from your main dealer ?
Hi Gary, if you feel you’re getting a bad deal at your vets then it’s your prerogative to choose where you buy your pet’s medication so thank you for your input into this debate. However, I’d encourage anyone who is disgruntled with vets fees to read our blog in full and understand what goes into providing a service that is able to prescribe these medications in the first place. On line pharmacy’s aren’t able to diagnose your pet’s condition or treat your pet at 2am in an emergency situation. Taking medication sales away from the vets could potentially drive up the costs of other services thus the issue becomes a self-perpetuating one. Unfortunately there’s no NHS for pets. Once again, thanks for joining the debate.
Well my vet has called tonight to say they would like another £1,146.00 I have told them they can do one. I am contesting it I wanted to bring V home to die and they wouldn’t let me, and now they want another 2 nights intensive care for my little dog that was in a coma for god sake, at least they gave me a week to grieve for her. Anyway I will see them in court.
I remember when my vets advised me not to raw feed my dog, advocating all sorts of reasons as to why it was unhealthy, not natural etc… and guiding me to the healthy, ‘nutritionally balanced’ kibble available on their shelves as the only feed that responsible owners would provide their pets. They told me only about all of the dangers of raw food, the things that would go wrong, effectively suggesting I would be killing my pet with food poisoning, chicken bones stuck in throats and intestines etc…They frowned and shook their heads when I made any positive comments about raw feeding. Two years on and the same veterinary practice sells raw food products… I think wets have real issues surrounding nutrition for animals and are in the hands of the large pet food manufacturers. I fear it is the same situation with regard to vaccine manufacturers also, and I am always a bit sceptical about advice from vets regarding vaccines. I have had appalling experiences from vets who insisted on x-raying my one year old GSD for hip dysplasia on only the most circumspect evidence. None of the vets I visited even asked to see the dog run before advocating costly (and traumatic) x-rays. I’m sorry to say but in this situation they put the potential profits way before my dog’s wellbeing.
We have just spent £3,500 at a specialist vet with more to pay. Our little Italian greyhound went in with a broken leg and ended up dead with brain damage. She died for 10 mins and they brought her back why? We were then told that she may come through this and for 2 days my little girl was having seizures,given meds that didn’t help. When I said I wanted to bring her home to die I was told no. In the end the only ultimatum I had was to sit and hold my poor baby while they put her to sleep. My faith in vets has gone they pretend they care when they don’t . My heart is broke we have had a week from hell and are still in it and will be for a long time.
Why do people complain about the cost of vet’s fees/unnecessary work? When you see a vet you are getting a highly qualified professional – far better qualified that a doctor who you are quite happy to wait 3 weeks to see to be fobbed off with “there’s a lot of it about”. I would wager that most of those who complain have no qualms about having the oil changed on their car by some snotty nosed grease monkey and paying over £250 for the privilege
I have an enormous respect for Veterinary Surgeons. Just about the hardest university course to get on with too few universities equipped to provide the course and the longest undergraduate training. The time, money and dedication required to be a vet should result in just rewards for the highly qualified professionals entering the profession.
I have absolutely no problem with the veterinary consult fee. You are paying for the services of a regulated professional.
However things have changed in how those services are delivered (this is, in part, true of all services, including medicine for humans) and the costs involved in using modern diagnostic and treatment techniques and the development and use of veterinary medicines mean a rise in costs. The cost of treatment for pets even two decades ago was relatively more affordable.
The big thing for me is that two decades ago my vets operated on an accounts system. They talked to me, we discussed cost and treatment options. My animals were treated. Then I received my account. 30 days to settle with any outstanding balance after 30days attracting interest until it was settled.
No question of affordability, you would pay interest but you could settle your bill over time if necessary. This was absolutely commonplace in large animal practice and indeed still is to my knowledge and was a system operated in a number of small animal practices. This is what has changed and what I find difficult to reconcile with caring about the animals involved.
My husband and I are self employed, we have to operate this exact system when billing our clients.
When you are standing in a veterinary hospital on a Sunday morning, you’ve had your consult and the attending vet has secured your signature on consent forms and given you an estimate of costs. They have checked that you have insurance and taken away your pet. You are upset and emotional at your pets plight. Then the receptionist demands 50% of the estimated costs right there and then. Basically you can’t leave until you’ve paid it. When questioned they admit that they won’t treat your sick pet if you don’t pay or they will not return your pet to you unless you settle ALL outstanding monies. We had left home in a frightened rush with our pet, driven 25 mins to the hospital and in that rush had both left our wallet/purse at home. I had to call my elderly father to pay on my behalf over the phone.
That’s not compassion and it’s not caring and it’s not an acceptable standard for ‘private medicine’ animal or human.
As a result I have had to leave my favoured veterinary practice as I will not deal with these out of hours people again.
That is what is wrong. The feeling that your beloved family member and pet is nothing more than money to the professionals who should care about them almost as much as you yourself do.
I don’t want to hear about the difficulty of chasing unpaid accounts. That is life, that is business and that has always been. In insulating itself from late payments the business of veterinary practice has reduced its noble profession to a commodity without compassion or caring.
I’m not angry, I’m very sad.
Tortoise_owner – no need for a sarcastic tone.
I don’t know of any vet earning £184K per year.
I agree that £120 for 15 minutes is astonishingly high. What exactly did you get for that? Were there any blood tests? Any medication? Was it after-hours? Was any specialised equipment used? Did the vet have specialised knowledge that he had spent time and money gathering? There must be some back story to this – it is not what would normally happen in a regular situation.
Of course we vets realise that many people have financial woes. We don’t take it lightly when we “hit” people for £1000. It is not our fault that a dog breaks a leg, or that it costs so much for the materials to fix it, or that the operation will take so long… You make us sound very glib and arrogant. Perhaps that’s your view, but it doesn’t reflect the reality that I encounter when I talk to my colleagues.
Look – there is choice out there. There is an open market, with a range of vets offering different levels of service. Phone around. Find out what is on offer. You can choose to get the optimal care for your pet – at a price – if you can afford it – or you can choose a budget vet for basic treatment at a price that is easier to afford – or you can choose euthanasia if you cannot afford anything else. In the absence of a National Health Service for pets, tell me what else is possible?
So according to our trusted vet, Dr Pete, “For every £10 you give the vet, around £7.50 to £8 goes towards the running costs of the vet clinic”. Okay, so of the bill I just received of £120, £96 is due to fees. That leaves just £24 for the vet. Our trusted vet, Dr Pete, assures us that “The hourly rate for vets ranges from £15 for new graduates to around £25 for vets with many years experience.” Right, I hear you say, that means you saw an experienced vet charging £24 and hour. Wrong. I spent just 15 minutes with this vet. So his hourly rate actually stacks up at £96. I make that £184,000 a year. “A fraction of what a medic would earn” says some vet above. He must be talking locums charge out rates, or is he just loco?
So here is what you just don’t get. Read this slowly and inwardly digest. It’s not a factoid made for regurgitation, solely to blind an old lady with science when prices get embarrassing. It is something you need to not only know, but understand and empathize with. Here goes. You have costs. Fine. We accept that. But so do your customers. They also have bills and taxes. But probability tells you in all likelihood that will be earning median salaries of somewhere around £25k. After tax that’s £20k. By the time you’ve taken off essentials, like food (£5.5k?), heating (£1.5k), mortgage or rent (£12k?), council tax (£1k), you have …. ooh, wait a min, the square root of sod all. And then you hit them for £1000. Now, it doesn’t take much by way of empathy to work out how this will be received by all but the studpidest of customers. Naturally they will recognise that you are being paid FAR in excess of their earnings: how else could you even propose such a charge? Then they will start to do the maths and figure out that you are either greedy or very bad at procurement. To then deliver poor results is the last straw. Conclusion: suck up the criticism and feel good about being the Gordon Gekkos of the animal ‘care’ world, or do something about reducing costs, because as far as many of your customers are concerned, there simply is nothing they can do other than abandon their pets.
Thank you for that Tortoise_owner. I could not have expressed it any better.
I have been with the same surgery for over 13 years and paid thousands of pounds on bills for several pets…..i always get the rescue cats n dogs that no one else seems to want because of their ailments etc. 2 days ago I had to cal the vet out, 20 minutes after the surgery closed, to have my 17 year old cat put down when she took a turn for the worse. I appreciate that medication etc for animals seems expensive, but I put it down to there being no NHS for animals! However, the meds to put her to sleep was £55 and the call out fee was £160. I can’t see how this charge can be justified.
We all know what VET stands for, Very Expensive Treatment.
Of course they are in in for the money, they take advantage of people’s emotions and love for their pets, and they get away with it. I will not be consulting a vet ever again, they certainly know how to bite you!…..I paid $2,500 between 2 vets just for them to tell me my dog was going to die.
Please sign if you agree that vet fee’s should be banned! And no don’t mean so vets don’t get there salary because ovbiously need money for treatment, building maintence e.g but it doesn’t make sense we don’t pay to go to the doctors or hospital? The NHS covers that? Yet nurses and doctors still get payed? So why can’t animals be treated there same be the voice to these beautiful creatures and lets all help together make a change, sign my peition on banning vet fee’s.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/751/971/814/cant-afford-to-pay-for-your-injuredsick-pet-ban-vet-fees-pet-care-should-be-free/
Sorry… animals are a luxury. Oh, by the way… vet fees are what keep the clinics running. Pay and they stay, don’t pay and leave your animal in agony. That’s just the way it works. If you want to eliminate vet fees, get the government to fund the clinics instead.
Just paid £1000 for a tennis ball to be removed from my dogs stomach . In what Galaxy can this be justified? But there was ample parking.
Here’s an eye opener from a Vet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232217/Why-Im-ashamed-vet-shocking-expose-profession-puts-pets-painful-unnecessary-treatments-fleece-trusting-owners.html
I recently took my elderly spaniel to Medivets on a mid-afternoon as she was appearing very poorly. The vets thought she should be kept overnight. They charged me for 1 xray, blood tests, setting up a drip, and removing liquid from her lungs. She ended up passing naturally early next morning despite all the treatment. Yet for this brief overnight stay and treatment, I ended up with a whopping bill of about £800, even after them deciding to waive a £60 overnight stay fee. Then, to have her cremated, it was an additional £170 as all the vets in this area of London seem to use only CPC which seems to have a monopoly on the market for pet cremations, so total bill came to nearly £1000 for a 1-night treatment of a pet that could not be saved in the end. I have other scary vet bill stories and complaints, such as why do vets charge 3-5x as much for meds compared to online prices or charge £10-£20 fees for writing prescriptions, but I think my recent experience shows that vet bills are definitely out of control, and while individual vets may be caring, the clinics they work for are really taking advantage of customers who love their pets and want to do best for them by charging such outrageous prices. I’ve heard that some owners who have taken their pets to the Royal Vet College for treatment and other specialist clinics have ended having to remortgage their homes to pay for the treatment of their pets. That’s just so wrong, and there really does need to be a governing body like Ofgem for energy to regulate vet fees.
I can tell you why vet meds are more expensive easily… You by from an online pharmacy who by in bulk from any one they like thus getting cut rate costs… You buy from a vet you buy from someone who can’t buy in bulk and has to use set suppliers. As for writing a prescription? Go to your doctors and ask for a fit to fly note or any other legal document and you will find out they also charge.
I believe that vets do take more money off you than they should, in my experience. Prices are fair but they charge you for more than what is necessary and they can be careless. Overnight visits being the main diagnosis always.
I have two cats one of which has got a urinary problem and he had crystals in his bladder. I took him in and they said they would keep him in overnight having an idea of what it was and to give him a catheter to relieve his bladder as he was slightly blocked but not fully.
I came the next morning to be greeted by a different vet to the first one, with a vet bill for £180. Which is understandable as they had to do an X-ray to analyse the problem. Conclusion all crystals had been washed out with catheter/fluids. (Catheter had apparently fell over during the night mind and he was Lying in his own bloody pee-the vet said this to me Joked when saying this and compared it to the colour of my shoes which I was digusted and shocked with) but he was out that’s all I was bothered about.
He came home and I expected everything to be okay from then on only for an HOUR later for him to have the same struggle and he couldn’t urinate after they had sent him away as if he was okay. I understand that it’s a tricky problem but surely he should not have been released without it being fully resolved. What did I pay for and why should I pay more to treat him a second time.
so I had to phone for an emergency appointment as it was a Saturday and drove to meet the vet at a clinic. Meeting with the first vet that we seen (apparently he clocked off that night and left him with woman that greeted me in the morning) He stayed in over the weekend which I was not happy about and I retrieved another bill but this was cheaper? They repeated the same process for a longer period, how does this work?
You don’t get a set price they use whatever they can and charge you whatever they want.
I believe our knowledge can be a disadvantage and I ensured I looked all information of his problem so that when I met with them for a second time I ensured I knew what they were discussing with me.
I went in with force and was challenging them and they couldn’t even defend themselves. All they could do was apologise for their mistakes.
In my opinion the vets I dealt with were heartless. He was basically on his own for 3 days in empty surgeries. They said they would keep me informed all three days and they didn’t ring me I had to ring them, which give me the impression that on the weekend he was just left with a catheter on his own all weekend, which worried the hell out of me.
Now I have to keep him on the urinary food which costs me 52 pounds a month.
Summary, I don’t know if all vets treat animals like this and charge ridiculous prices with no empathy and no proper sit downs to discuss stuff with you (as I was in unknown land for 3 days) but they should not be allowed to get away with it.
I have no trust in this veterinary practice at all.
Back to prices though, I do agree with them but in terms of charging you for what is needed, this is the main issue… The decisions for what treatment to give to what the animal actually needs. Vets don’t seem to have this right. This is why people complain about costs. I believe it’s not the actual costs it’s the vets treatment process that needs looked into. People shouldn’t be charged for wrong treatments or additional stuff that vets have added in.
-I’m glad I seen this as I needed to get that off my chest and it is just my opinion with my experience.
Typical ways the vet rips you off:::
An antibiotic shot $20 – 35, often give to get a ‘jump’ on the antibiotic pills the dog actually needs, or with a dental cleaning; although long debunked.
Fecal float $20- 30 – not needed if your dog has no symptoms, and is on oral monthly heartworm prevention….
Annual Vaccinations….
Most routine Blood and Urine screens,
including pre-op….
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Some articles suggest about 40% of the revenue is for unnecessary products/services.
my vet promised me he discounts the drugs for my sick dog’s heart problems , low and behold got bill for £299 can get same drugs £ !76 plus £37.50 prescription chg, how can he justify £86 rip off
Vets add on costs as soon as you leave your animal with them. The price is agreed and then hey! quell surprise you go back theres always additional cost. Vet practices are greedy. My dog need eye drops fro Glaucomer . The vets charged me £35 for them. I looked them up in line and got them direct from the pharmacy making a saving of £25:00 per bottle. The vet even charged me £3.98 for reaching down in to the cupboard and handing them over..£38:98 for a bottle of eye drops that cost less than £10 to buy!!! GREEDY! more than greedy…they are immoral.
You got them on an online pharmacy… An online pharmacy that would by in bulk therefore getting the drugs at a fraction of the cost of a vets that are restricted to ordering through set companies and will only order a few bottles at a time.
its all about the money not the animals sorry but your just too greedy
Please explain the logic behind that claim… Both of my parents are veterinarians. My mother is a small animal vet and my father works as a slaughterhouse supervisor. In case you are wondering, this is the list of our pets: a Gambel’s quail, an Arabian horse, a Shetland pony, a burro, 6 chickens, 3 peacocks, 2 dogs and a cat. So, yeah… they do sort of like animals…
Ignorance at its best… I get paid MORE in an office job than I ever did working in a vets and YET I would still have been there if I didn’t break out in hives every time I touched most pets. Ps I have 2 dogs and 2 cats one of which cost 3.5k when someone broke his leg.
I’m not a vet but I think that if you have a pet YOU have the responsibility for the health and welfare of that animal. Why should a vet, a charity or anyone else subsidise or fund the cost? Having a pet is an expensive luxury so think twice about having that puppy or kitten if you don’t think you can afford veterinary fees as the animal ages. And, as Graham C says, perhaps YOU could give up YOUR holiday instead of expecting the vet to give up his. Put up, shut up and pay up!
Only a tiny proportion of UK vets are self employed. Where do you get this information from?
In Europe there is generally no requirement for 24/7 care so vets close at night and no-one covers your emergencies. In the UK all vets have to provide 24/7 care or arrange an agreement for another practice to do so. There is a cost to that level of care.
With very few exceptions, in European countries Veterinary Nursing does not exist as a professional qualification. Practices employ unqualified lay staff to do the jobs of Veterinary Nurses. Veterinary degrees are not of the same standard throughout the world and there are extremely good reasons why vets from outside the UK (again with a few exceptions) are not qualified to practice in the UK without gaining additional qualifications, and accreditation to the RCVS.
Costs of property, equipment, drugs, VAT and all other overheads vary from country to country. You are comparing apples and oranges.
The quoted income for vets (who are self employed and therefore enjoy many of the tax advantages of tat status) are not to be trusted. My friend had to have an MRI for their dog this week. It cost over £2k!! How is that possible? Yes, its expensive kit but the volume of people using it cannot justify that kind of cost. It was covered by insurance (go figure). I just do not buy these ‘rebuttals’. The costs are way out of kilter with the rest of Europe. Yes, education costs but that is true for everyone and it does get recouped, in spades.
@ Del Boy Trotter
The maths is incredibly simple – do some research – CAPEX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_expenditure.
The cost of purchasing and installing a CT or MRI scanner sits in the region of £300 – 500,000 even for very modest units. Typically, the cost of major equipment purchases needs to be covered within 3-10 years of purchase, as new equipment deteriorates and becomes obsolete. Added to the initial CAPEX is the cost of ongoing maintenance and repair, which for complicated equipment is substantial.
Veterinary practices generally don’t have £300k of loose change so that money is borrowed, with interest. The typical total cost of that CT scanner, plus maintenance and interest, is therefore at least £500,000 over 10 years, or £50k pa.
Veterinary patients that require CT or MRI scans must be anaesthetised, as oddly enough dogs don’t generally sit perfectly still on command whilst scary machinery whirs about them. For the sake of argument let’s state that the cost of a GA for a dog is £150 (it varies and is size and time dependant but let’s not get bogged down). The cost of the scan itself, to you the client, is therefore £350. (I would comment that the fee charged is often higher, but we’ll work with the numbers you have provided – we only need ball parks)
For the practice to cover the cost of the equipment alone (before considering that staff have to be trained, at cost, to interpret the images, monitor anaesthetics, prescribe drugs, “clip a bit of fur” etc) the practice will need to perform around 140 scans per year @ £350 to just cover equipment costs, that’s 3 per week, every week for 10 years.
Operating the CT/MRI requires at least 2 personnel, who (how dare they) demand a salary. As they are highly trained, they have a right (some might say) to demand more than minimum wage. The Nurse might be lucky and get more than the local shelf stackers at Tesco, but she might not. The Vet, as we have seen already, will be paid a reasonable wage. Unless she is a Specialist (the highest veterinary qualification possible) she will not approach the earning potential of the local GP, but no matter, she will still need to be paid. A proportion of those salary costs must be added to the cost of each and every scan she carries out and interprets.
We haven’t even touched on running costs (CT and MRI scanners draw massive electrical loads), but there is barely any need. If you still cannot fathom how your money is spent then there is little chance that anyone will be able to convince you that your preconceptions are far wide of the mark.
>”I DO think there is temptation to do unnecessary work or doing irrelevant extra blood tests..etc to get the bill up.”<
Baseless, generalised accusations of Veterinary fraud such as these are insulting, and simply indicate a grave ignorance of the true cost of medical care. There may be a communication issue here, and Vets must accept some responsibility for that. Medical care should be collaborative, and if the value of a test is not adequately explained then of course it is natural to consider that it might not be necessary. But, as very few Veterinary employees are paid on a commission basis, individual Veterinary Surgeons have no incentive to run "unnecessary" tests. They are paid a wage, and regardless of the size of your bill they will take home the same wage each month.
There’s 2 sides to the story, but the level of care we have received has shown us Vets are only as good as GP’s for general stuff – they rarely have all the proper equipment for a serious condition. We went to CAT scan and the vets actually blamed the size of the screen they had to work with and our bi dog was making it hard for him to view, then why have we paid you £500 for the scan tat you are not sure on (can a vet here, please explain how clipping some fur an operating a machine they already own comes to 500 pounds please?) – “there maybe someone more skilled with a CAT scan out there” – how does this help me?
They also never told us our options or what is recommended, instead going with ‘what do you want us to do?’ Some professional guidance would be good with a feeling based on there experience (not looking good), rather than neutral ‘don’t know’ all the time – where many practices are privately run and owned, I DO think there is temptation to do unnecessary work or doing irrelevant extra blood tests..etc to get the bill up. IMHO.We had 7 tests, when our first vets already said what the condition was!
They cost a lot more, but if your dog/cat has a serious condition, just get them to a specialist ASAP – SOME vets will ‘kepe them comfortable’ milking the money until it’s too late.
The luck/skill is finding a very good vet you can trust, a bit like a god dentist or mechanic.
Lots of good ones but unfortunately a lot of chaff to sort through as well.
The CAT SCANNER machine requires government paperwork, inspectation, physicist yearly. Must also do maintenance to make sure the computer has not wandered off point and would produce faulty information. The cheaper and older the scanner the smaller the viewing screen, so all of pet area may not have been scanned or achieved in picture. Field of View is limited. Dog prepped and shave would have made it easier to position and view and scan the area. Need constant air conditioning for computer and electronics. Use expensive special contrast dye to see internal structures. Only place to get a CAT SCAN for animals is usually available is at a University as cost millions of dollars to have and operate. Maybe they were using regular x-ray tube or Fluoroscope.
Nowadays, over here a lot of smaller hospitals and clinics have them too, but I’ve never come across this issue before!
Sorry, not buying it. Not all vets, but certainly some, prey on the emotions of the pet owners who are just trying to get their pet back to good health, often in dire situation.
You can go to the humane’s society in the US fortunately, and they at least will do things for you even if you can’t afford it. But not a vet.
Good article with standard criticisms and excellent rebuttals. Yes some vets are better than others and some charge more than others. The same can be said for any trade or profession. Shop around, but don’t expect anything for free. As for £120 call out fee, would you expect a plumber to sort an emergency at 2am for any less? Yes some vets milk insurance, but they are few and far. Insurance is there to cover your ass, not mine. I’ll still charge you the same fee to fix Fluffy, now do you want that James Herriot style quick ‘jab of pen-strep’ for £25 with an 80% mortality risk or do you want your pet to be referred to a specialist with an 80% succes rate with that spare £2000 in your back pocket? Don’t get me started on owners who fork out £750 for a Dog Pimp (breeder’s services) but then think £200 is a lot for an ovariohysterectomy.
@Ned Fowden: You are right about no specific time limit and wrong about the rest.
The flea and worm products most vets use because they are the most effective, are classified POM-V. This means prescription only.
The relevant section of the guidance notes (http://www.rcvs.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/code-of-professional-conduct-for-veterinary-surgeons/supporting-guidance/veterinary-medicines/) about prescription medication is at 4.9. “the (animal) must have been seen immediately before prescription or, recently enough or often enough for the veterinary surgeon to have personal knowledge of the condition of the (animal) to make a diagnosis and prescribe”. I cannot possibly have personal knowledge of the condition of an animal I have not seen for many months.
The unofficial rule of thumb I have been given by the RCVS many times maximum 12 months for flea and worm products, maximum 6 months for other POM products. That is what I use in my practice. Also, some animals have diseases or are on medications that mean the animal needs examining every one, two or three months.
My local doctors apply the same principle (leaving out flea and worm stuff, of course).
Reading through the actual regulations and the RCVS guidance notes suggests there is no time limit, certainly no definition of 6 months.
The latest amendments do not mention anything to do with this at all.
It would seem to me that certain vets or most likely office managers and/or receptionists have made their own interpretations.
I certainly do not begrudge paying for my pets wellbeing, but when it’s a HUMONGOUSLY blatant rip-off it deserves nothing less than scandalising !
The “new changes” are legal restrictions imposed by the government meaning that, by law, we have to have performed a clinical assessment of the animal within the last 6 months before we are PERMITTED to put up prescription medications (contrary to popular opinion, most flea treatments are POM-V, meaning that they can only be dispensed on prescription, and their sale and supply is legally regulated. If we just dispensed them without regular checks, we could be struck off.
My vet is now demanding £39 just to see them to continue with a flea treatment.
We can no longer receive a prescription for our healthy cats for the treatment we’ve been using for years unless we bring them in “because of new changes”
£39 to see a healthy cat … and ripoff charges are a myth … HAHAHAHAHA
Your vet has to see your cat annually by law to prescribe medicines. If your cat isn’t visiting annually it probably isn’t as healthy as you think. It’s unvaccinated for starters. Doesn’t sound like you are a very responsible owner!
I am a vet student myself and as I have done a degree in Zoology before, I have to pay ‘graduate fees’ which for 5 years tuition, is nearly £100,000. Not an amount to be sniffed at. It angers me so much when people say ‘you’ll be loaded when you’re a vet’, not only because I know that’s not true, but if I’d have gone into human medicine, there are numerous grants available to help pay for the tuition fees. As a human medic, I’d also be paid a lot more as a new grad and after 10 years in practice, well I’d be very comfortable. But my first degree choice shows that my heart is truly with animals, and so vet medicine was the only way for me. Ten years after graduation I’ll not only be paid a fraction of what a human medic will be being paid, but I’ll also still be paying off the £100k it cost me to get there.
I had a quote for a procedure from myvet at the time £600. He got none of my mares in foal, gave one a uterine infection and labelled them problems. I went to a top Newmarket vet and had the procedure at less than half the cost. The next year both mares got in foal first time and no infections.. Not only did he rip you off he couldn’t do his job
As a vet nurse I see these scenarios a lot where clients become angry because of the price of their vet Bill. But as stated at the beginning we get free medical treatment in the UK and what the he’ll would people do if we had to pay…maybe people wouldn’t take the NHS for granted.
A lot of vets these days do payment plans for clients to help with the cost of treatments but still clients complain and dont always pay despite they are going abroad on holiday for two weeks, maybe ask yourself what is more important, a holiday, going out drinking with mates or your precious pet who is part of your family, you wouldn’t do this of it was your mother, father etc.
Do what a lot of people are doing and open up a seperate bank account and direct debit to that account with a certain amount of money to go into each month. This will then help with costs of vet bills.
At the end of the day owning a pet is for life and is exactly the same as having a child, you would do anything for that child so start treating your pets the same.
Sorry but we do pay for the NHS, it’s called national insurance.
True, but we never see a bill – we generally have no idea how much anything costs!
Vets always say that we are free to shop around. In theory yes, in practice extremely difficult. What do you say, “My cat has just been run over, how much are you going to charge”? Do you take the animal to various vets getting quotes before deciding what to do? Of course you don’t, your pet is a precious family member and you just want the situation dealt with. Owners are also ill equipped to decide whether the recommended course of treatment is the correct one. We, as lay people, do not really have a choice, we are in the hands of vets and just hand over our credit cards when told.
Yes, treating one’s animals when they are sick is expensive, but we are only giving them the same standard of care that we expect from our medical profession without the subsidies and blanket coverage governments provide their citizens. (And most countries are facing a similar problem with the costs in treating an aging human population too.) Vets in the main need to provide all the equipment and technology as stand-alone businesses, and provide the drugs at an unsubsidised cost (no government subsidy for animal patients). Most vets in 1st world countries don’t charge too much for treating animals (some charities can help too) – its just that everything has to be paid for by someone.
A quote I found a while back seems relevant – in relation to people thinking vets should work for free:
The most EPIC reply to the “if you don’t treat my pet for free then you don’t love animals” argument courtesy of Dr. Virginia DeChant
I’m sorry so-and-so, but I cannot help you. You see, I’m one of those veterinarians who only works because I love animals. I didn’t charge for anything. I did everything because the babies needed me. Then, my staff left me because they didn’t love animals enough, and wouldn’t accept puppies as paychecks. Then, the big, bad government got mad because I wouldn’t pay taxes. I tried offering them kittens, but those bastards wouldn’t accept them. I used expired and discarded drugs, cause I could get them for free. When one of my patients had a bad reaction to an expired drug, they took my license. Then,when my own precious angel got sick, I went out and got a job and worked hard, and PAID MY BILL!
Calm down, nobody expects anyone to work for free.
Actually, I’m afraid there are some people who do… I’m sure every vet has had to deal with a few of them!
I found your blog very interesting, and thought you may like to hear of my experience with my animal’s vet….My vet is a one man band, his wife is his nurse receptionist etc,lives in a flat has a 15 year old van and no trappings of wealth. He ploughs his money into new equipment, and goes to conferences whenever possible. He will always answer the phone at any time of night or day to his regular clients, and will turn out when necessary. His operations are normally carried out during siesta hours…..his opening hours are 1000 to 1330, and 1700 to 2030, but rarely gets away on time. I have 2 cats & 2 dogs, all bar 1 cat need very regular visits to the vet, and yes I pay out a lot of money for treatment etc, but I don’t pay for consultations, and appointments are made for half hour slots. I could never afford all this treatment if I lived in UK, but maybe my animals would be healthier there!? I live in Spain, and from listening to other pet owners my vet is not unusual. He is very important to my family of animals, and me.
Replying to Sam Lockey above:
“The only part you haven’t covered is why it costs £120 (nearly 5 times the normal fee) just to walk through to door because it is out of hours.”
Do you have any idea what it’s like having a relationship with someone who is in work at 8:30am, finishes at 7-8pm without a lunch break, is constantly tired the rest of the time and gets paid less than you for the trouble?
Now imagine that person spends every other weekend looking after in-patients and having to answer the phone at all hours (there’s no charge to call the vet, only if you actually have to bring the animal in).
It’s more expensive because if it wasn’t then one vet would end up dealing with the work of the full practice because nobody would ever book an appointment: Out of hours service is EMERGENCY care. Basic economics should tell you that the price is going to be higher.
As for why it’s 5 times higher that’s how much you have to charge before people stopped seeing this as a viable alternative to getting their ass in gear and booking an appointment during opening hours.
Wrong! My puppy ate a sock at 10:30 at night. I phoned the emergency vets who told me it was urgent and I must get down there quickly. I was quoted £160 over the phone.
Upon arrival I was handed a piece of paper to sign saying it could cost between £250 and £395.
The vet did the initial consultation lasting 5 minutes. She then took my puppy out the back. When She brought him out 20mins later (with the sock) she said he had had 2 injections – one to induce vomiting and the other an anti sickness. Final bill was £285!
£285 for less than half an hours time and 2 jabs!
One of those injections costs about £80-£100 – cost. its a human drug comes in large vials and there is a lot of waste – it cannot be reused and needs to be discarded after each use.
Then he should have told her the real price upfront.
Although there are veterinary formulations available, the cost price to the vet is similar – drugs are expensive!
Surprisingly, out of hours staff aren’t paid that much more despite the unsociable hours and the impact on their personal lives. The major two factors are overheads and education.
Every business has overheads as pointed out above. Utilities bills, rent/mortgage of property, equipment maintenance and wages , just to name a few. Dedicated emergency clinics do not have routine appointments for vaccinations or neutering. They don’t sell wormer or flea treatment. Their only source of income is from emergency consults and treatment given. Even if they see no patients, those bills have to be paid, so the consultation fee needs to be appropriate to the costs incurred providing that service. Merging emergency clinics together would help to consolidate resources and maximise consultations… but people do not like travelling more than 15-20 minutes in an emergency.
Education is the other big expense. All vets commit to a career lifetime of continuing education. Emergency work carries a steeper learning curve, as many of these cases are unstable/critical and need quick confident decisions that may be the difference between life and death. Not for the emergency vet is the routine neutering surgery; surgeries are often complex procedures on unwell patients which the average day vet will rarely perform. An emergency vet can switch rapidly between many different conditions in multiple patients, staying in control in a high pressure environment that just doesn’t occur in the same way in daytime practice. But all of this comes at a cost to provide the training necessary to instill those skills, and most emergency vets and nurses do many hours more than the mandatory amount of time.
One of the major contributing factors of an out of hours service is the late hours. Schedules and sleep patterns are thrown out of whack and staff has to be on call after normal working hours are over. They need to be compensated for that just like any other job would. People who work night shifts in any job have a higher pay rate just because of the hours. Also you have to pay for the additional hours of power every night being used up to run equipment, lights, computers, etc.
The only part you haven’t covered is why it costs £120 (nearly 5 times the normal fee) just to walk through to door because it is out of hours.
That is a relatively obvious answer: the vet clinic is technically closed. The reason for the high cost is the fact that you are actually buying the veterinarians’ time with their families. Wouldn’t you charge extra if someone was keeping you away from your family?
I have been given a £11000 bill for my cat being in hospital 3 days 2 broken legs and a dislocated jaw. My insurance which is most expensive I could get only covers 8000. Am I being ripped off
Excellent presentation – if I still had my own practice I would have the Pie Chart on a metre square poster in a prominent position in Reception.
I might even print off a few copies of the article to hand to the Fee Grumps.
(In lieu of any form of reduction in their fees.)
Your statement is a gross over simplification of a complex scenario as it is all about value for money given that customers may be emotionally funerals to be taken advantage. Our animals mean so much to us that they are life changing.
For months I took my dog to the vets and she was treated for a heart condition however I was not happy with the answers I was receiving so I took a second opinion and after an ultra-scan and an MRI scan from another vets I found I was paying for a condition that the dog did not have and I had been given false hope. It seemed to me I was being told to keep bring my dog to the vets and pay for the consultation and medication [over twice the price I could buy the same drugs from the internet] that I did not need until the dog died or got better by itself. I should have been referred straight away and not used as a case cow. My dog should have come first.
ok I run a business myself Ive got ocer heads and staff etc .. I know its a business as well a love of animals (ihope). But why are there such variations in prices of spays and health tests ? I paid for hips and elbows £575 at my local vets but when I drove two hours away I paid £245 . They had more staff experience and expense equipment but yet £300 cheeper !!!:
2 hours drive can mean a huge difference in overheads like rent and average salary.
Quite agree – I am being charged £391 for an initial referral to a specialist: that’s before any tests or procedures. When my family (human) has been referred to specialists the initial fee is normally around £250-£300. Vets charge as much as they can get away with, and know they stand much less chance than doctors of being sued for their actions. They encourage owners to insure their pets, and then milk the system. As a profession they deserve our contempt, and it’s surely the duty of honest, honourable vets to speak out.
I’m not a vet but I have done work experience at many prcatices and I don’t think they overcharge. every treatment is done with purpose and not just to earn money. vets waste 5 years in school to help animals and whilst they get paid decently, if they really wanted to be rich they could have chosen another career that earns more like law or human medicine.